I like the Rusty Mace more then the Molag Bal... too bad you can't smith/enchant it

That's part of the problem right there, Vivec said that Azura cursed the entire race, I don't recall Azura ever claiming she actually did that. And even if she did, what was that curse? She changed everyone's skin pigment,


Fair enough, but lets face it these three had built a religion pretending to be gods using the same power that is allowing Dagoth Ur to spread his influence across the land. And now that charade is costing them, because Dagoth Ur has more control of the heart then they do. Whatever Azura's motivations, It can easily be argued that they brought this on themselves by tampering with forces they didn't understand and tried to use for their own ambitions.

But as for the subject at hand, a lot of people are saying that the priest deserves his fate. Problem with that is that it doesn't matter that he's the priest of another evil, torturing him is still and evil act. And unlike Sinding in the Hircine quest, your not even told why the Forsworn have captured him and locked him up. To me it sounds like, we'll he follows an evil god...so he's evil, which is a pretty weak case.

And even with the Hircine quest your given a choice, House of Horrors railroads you into doing this, all under the pretense of doing something good, and the game will continue to nag you until you start it, cause your likely going to be traveling up and down that street in Markarth several times. The only way to fail the quest is to kill the priest before he meets with Molag, and the game never gives you a way to opt out except for not doing it. Out of all the Daedric quest lines, this is one of the more disappointing quests and, dare I say, not nearly as well written as the other Daedric quests.

I lol at the fact that some of you think just hiding the weapon will permanently stop it for centuries. Lore states that Daedric Artifacts never belong to one person for a while. Take the time between Morrowind and Oblivion. The time period was 30 years and already the artifacts changed hands and that doesn't even mention if it took 30 years for it return. For all we know, it took 5 months and no champion was worthy back then. You may lock the artifact but for all you know the artifact will just return to the Daedric Prince in a matter of months. The artifacts aren't sealed, just you possession for the moment. How long is anyone's guess but it is likely not centuries.

That's really neat, my character scurried out of there without the mace. xD
I hate Daedra, except Malacath (Only because I'm an Orc and a HUGE Orc sympathizer) and Azura.

^ This.

Not always. Azura states that it could be a century or two before her star faded back into Oblivion. Mora also needed somebody to retrieve his book. The Daedric Lords can't just summon back items whenever they want. It's seemingly random, or perhaps determined by fate.

Difference is that Azura's Star was broken which means the artifacts naturally return to their Prince after being damaged. As for Mora, it seems he was testing Septimus as opposed to not being able to. It's likely that Mora was waiting for Septimus to open the box or when it was certain he would fail, Mora would return his book to his realm.

Perhaps. I still don't believe it just poofs back in a matter of months, however. I also have seen nothing that states they can take back their items whenever they want. Otherwise, wouldn't Nocturnal have just poofed back her Skeleton Key? Perhaps she wanted to punish the Thieves who failed her, but he had been running around with that thing for about two decades if I remember correctly.

Well if she didn't do it, who did? There's no account that claims it was the Tribunal or Dagoth Ur's doing. Every account--even the Ashlanders' tales--point to Azura being the one who turned the Chimer into the Dunmer. Just because Azura never says "yeah, that was me" doesn't mean she didn't do it.

As for the point of the "curse"...well, the text "http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nerevar-red-mountain," which is an Ashlander recounting of the incident via one of Nerevar's shield-companions (so it's not without its bias, obviously, but), has this to say:


I doubt Azura actually said that at any point--Alandro Sul's account of the Battle at Red Mountain is probably the most biased account, next to Vivec's--but her motivations may have been something like that.


Oh, I'm not arguing that. That's probably the one part of Morrowind's main quest that's clearly printed in black and white. Everything else...not so much. It's why I love it so.

I think I remember Nocturnal saying that she knew you would return the key. Since she knows somebody will return the key, she has no reason to return it to her immediately, plus it is punishment as the Thieves didn't get it back immediately and someone else had to do it.

So...you happily murdered the vigilant of stendarr (who's a good guy), but have reservations about killing a priest of boethia (a bad guy) over some twisted honor code?

Kill or be killed =/ Also, killing the priest would be what Molag wanted you to do, but in killing the Vigilant you did what he wanted. HOWEVER, if you wait long enough, you only act in self-defense, as he will attack you and apologize before hand. So, he didn't want to kill him, but the Vigilant lost his way and tried to kill someone who was trying to help him out of the goodness of his heart......

Daedric Princes are god-like beings each governing the ..things they govern. I doubt "good" and "evil" have any meaning to them, they just do what they do. And entice mortals to do their bidding for their powerful artifacts.

As such i would run away screaming from any of them

Perhaps it was a side effect of the Tribunal tampering with the very forces that made them immortal, as for Azura not confirming it. Sometimes the rep is more important then the actual doing of the deed. In Band of Brothers it's rumored that LT. Speirs gunned down prisoners of war after losing several men in his Platoon, and shot a insubordinate Sargent. Speir never bothers to either confirm or deny these rumors because it made him look like a hard ass.

Plus Azura is a goddess of Mysterious, it wouldn't be very mysterious if she just laid everything out for us would it?

That's not to say that she is entirely benevolent, I notice that many people seem to forget her Morrowind Azura's Star quest, the one that entails her sending on of her priestesses to a isolated island just to win a bet with Shegorath over what causes madness. Then of course there is how she behaves in Daggerfall, although you could chalk that one up to pre battlespire lore, where the team hadn't quite explored the idea of morally ambigous Daedra.

For the most part though I'd say that Azura was more benevolent then say even Meridia, who still manages to come off as being vain and petty, even if any hero worth the salt will gladly do her bidding if nothing else but to be rid of a several necromancers who are intent on causing havoc.

I don't get why you can't screw around with all of the Daedric Princes. Specifically, why would you want to mess with Azura? She's one of the non-evil ones. I personally wanted to mess with Dagon but I couldn't do it. That dagger radiates power. Talk about temptation.

One does not give the King Of [censored] (rhymes with snape) the finger. It's usually the other way around...um...yeah...ahem.

I roleplay that they are powerful divinities/entities and I am glad to do their bidding. Good and evil are just concepts man has made up for purposes of social control. I am more than happy to work in harmony forces greater than we can comprehend.

I agree that they are above good and evil, they just do what they want to humor themselves; they have all the power in the world and an eternity to use it. They are bored and look for ways to pass the time, It only seems evil because causing chaos and strong emotional reactions are exciting and unpredictable. Which leads me to think that the reason our characters are chosen to retrieve these artifacts is because we have no fate and are EXTREMELY unpredictable.

Dude, I am relieved to concur with you. Some of your posts worry me, and make me think you are very drunk (nothing wrong with that BTW)! Of course, there is also the possibility that YOU are a daedric lord...

Azura's manipulation also saved Morrowind from Dagoth Ur, a foe that the Tribunal could not defeat, but only delay. A lot of what she's blamed for (minus the whole changing Chimer into Dunmer, which I don't really see as that horrible of a thing) is actually Sheogorath's doing. Given Sheogorath had a front row seat for when Vivec blamed Azura for it all, I'd say it was Just as Planned. It makes even more sense when you consider Sheogorath is in fact Jyggalag, a being capable of predicting the actions of Daedra and mortals thousands of years in advance.

I agree, there should ALWAYS be a way to oppose the deadric lords. It's so annoying when you get a quest that forces you to do something you don't want to do, and if you just ignore the quest, the quest will permanently be on your quest list.

There should at least be a way to "ignore" a quest, which would put the quest in a section for ignored quests...