I'm sure Bethesda would love to have the Workshop for consoles but I'm sure it's a matter of Microsoft and Sony not allowing it. Microsoft and Sony would have to digitally sign the files for each and every mod. It's just like when Bethesda or any other developer sends a title update to Microsoft or Sony, it is to have the code signed. If Microsoft or Sony allowed unsigned code it would be abused by hackers to create an exploit, which in fact would be very simple.

When I got my first PC I didn`t even have a job. I scrounged together money and bought parts of a PC bit by bit until I could put one together. It took about 6 months. It wasn`t that expensive although it took some trial and error. That was a while ago. Nowadays it`s even cheaper and easier to put a PC together for less than a full Xbox and all the gubbings.

As for Mods for consoles, i didn`t think I would, but I actually feel genuinely sorry for the consolers who so want Mods in Skyrim that many of them can`t seem to quite understand why it can`t happen the way they want it to. Like they expect miracles and don`t realise we are only Human...

And of course Microshaft and Sony aren`t about to pay to make it happen either.

seriously? Besides the fact I already own an xbox, they're UNQUESTIONABLY cheaper. I bought a controller replacement and.......... oh, a headset. Both of which I can use on PC if/when I build it so they aren't even restricted to my console.

I would need to drop at least $600 to build a rig I would be happy with and the capability to upgrade it a couple times before having to replace the mobo and cpu to help extend it's life past 2 years.

I bought my console 4 years ago for $250, and have dropped just over an additional $100 in CROSS-PLATFORM capable hardware (knowing I might get a PC I wanted my investments valid)

Don't tell me PC is cheaper... that is a ludicrous statement.

As far as having money... you may not have had a job, but I guarantee you didn't have expenses then either. I have plenty. LOTS of expenses actually.... Some of which I shouldn't have and if I ever unload this [censored] burden I'l feel rich in comparison. In short, don't presume to understand other peoples situations. You have no idea.

Let's not get into bickering over platforms. Why? Because if you want to Mod Skyrim or play Mods on Skyrim, you need a PC.

There is no argument on what platform you can use mods on as there is only one.

Implicitly understood....

I do not (nor do I have ANY desire whatsoever) to record and mix. I have a laptop (provided from work) which allows me general browsing and programming (and could even record/mix if I cared to). My XBOX provides me gaming and netflix if I ever feel like really not thinking. Additionally I can still hookup my laptop to external display if I want to watch something my xbox doesn't have (or just pipe it through my xbox & media center).

I am NOT ignorant. I was initiated into tech at the ripe age of 7 in 1988.

I really wish PC users would stop seeing "360 gamer" and instantly assume I'm a complete dolt when it comes to tech. I've prolly built more PCs (at least 50... mostly servers/workstations) then most 2-3 of you combined.

One option might be an interpreted mod format?

Essentally, have a tool upload your mod to a server, and the server interprets the data and instructions; and rewrites the mod that users actually get.
This could in theory eliminate unknown bugs and vulnerabilities; and allow the developer to make fixes to their interpreter ~instead of everyone's mod.

If a specific flaw allowed nasty code execution and could be done with a mod... the interpreter would be re-writing the mod based on what it thinks is the legitimate intent ~so attack code would be discarded, cause errors, or be flagged; but never reach the userbase.

** Could aspects of Steamworkshop be added, or made to function like this I wonder?

You gotta work on your people skills. I`ll help you get started:

Less arrogance and more listening to experience when someone`s telling you.

That`s all you`re getting from me. I would have explained more if you were better civilised.

I didn't say you were technologically ignorant did I? Tell me where I did, because I sure as hell don't remember doing so.

All I was saying is the PC is the best choice for me personally because of all the things I do on mine.

Arrogance is a specialty of mine.... it comes naturally to me from being better than everyone else (EDIT: This is a joke dripping with sarcasm in case anybody doesn't pick up on that)

Explained more? You explained nothing. I refuted your claim that PC could be cheaper and you have no rebuttal other than I'm rude. which is true, but irrelevant.

I found your comment about how you built a PC w/o a job condescending (implying I have no idea what it costs or takes to build a PC), so we're even.

You stated that your PC was better than my xbox because of a, b, & c... implying my ignorance in these capabilities.

You didn't say it outright... it was inferred by your statement however.

I understand different people have different needs.... having a laptop provided to me free of charge by my work kinda alleviates most of the benefits of PC over Console however as I have a PC that can do pretty much everything BUT gaming. Leaving me with only 1 capability I need to cover on my own. I went with console because it *IS* cheaper.

I am a budget gamer to the extreme. Hell, it took me waiting for my xmas bonus check just to drop $100 on the accessories I'd needed all year. I understand and accept the limitations of console.... however I reserve my natural right to be miffed over executive decided limitations (rather than technical limitations)

Meh, I built my computer for around 450 bucks, using a 2.7 ghz quad core and a HD 6850, Skyrim runs on high with everything maxed. It's not expensive at all. Especially that my 360 graphics look like crap compared to my PC. Likely you can run a system like this until the next gen consoles as most ports including Skyrim are not very poly intensive(less characters and detail so a console can run them). The only game that gave me a hick up was the Witcher 2, but it was gorgeous.
The thing to me is that Skyrim may not be worth the purchase of a PC, but the mods definitely are. Some of them just make the game as fresh as if you just bought it. Each of the quality modders to me is like a separate game developer making free dlc's and it's amazing how they can stretch the capability of this engine into directions even Bethesda didn't think was possible.

Sure they could, but MS and Sony would stand to lose (as well as Beth) tons of money from gamers making mods on their own. There would be little incentive for (especially) console gamers to purchase DLC, outside of actual quests type DLC. Weapons, armors and item DLC wouldn't sell because gamers could make them on their own..

They SHOULD do that and add a monthly fee to access that Server farm. that way you aren't paying for the mod, but paying to access the server that they are on

Well, in defense of Bethesda they do actually make some good DLC's , way better then Bioware for instance. Ironically to me Bethesda makes poor main stories but makes interesting smaller quests. Their dlc are usually worth the money as compared to Bioware whose dlc consisted of doing another of their dlc's dungeon backwards. As far as weapon and armor dlc's your probably right, but charging for a sword is a rip off anyway.

I wish console users would come down to earth. Xbox360 is getting the one month DLC early because Bethesda got greedy and thrown equal muliplatform gaming out of the Window. Mod tools and editors were never destine for consoles, just like my toaster will never make me coffee.

No profit. Distributing free mods impiles cost in bandwidth and support which they cannot charge for.

I realize I could build a PC for skyrim for under $500...

but if I'm putting out that kind of money.... I would want to play any game.

That wouldn't cut it for BF3 for example... not to mention games yet unreleased.

If I was to spec out a PC it would be at a minimum quad-core, with preferably at least 6gb ram and expandable to 12-16GB, and a good enough Vid card to play BF3 or Witcher on highest settings. This would allow me to expand my PC in a couple years (doubling RAM and to dbl up the vid card) at minimal cost.


I am on earth... I KNOW that we will never see it. Doesn't change the fact it's annoying that something easily technically feasible is cut off because of executive decision.

Sony's and MS both have extremely restrictive policies regarding DLC.... The only way we would ever see player mods on console is if Bethesda actually manually code checks it, bundles it, and passes it through certification channels. This is both time and money intensive. Furthermore, how's Bethesda to know just which mods to do? Further complicating matters is that the mods would have to all work together in any combination in order to get certified.

Still, I hope they do roll out a community package like Valve did with Portal 2. I just don't really expect it.

Ok, first of all you can play ANY kind of game on that system as I have. Witcher 2 runs smoothly on high with a very rare minor hiccup(theres plenty of high res videos with a 6850 running witcher 2). and it would cut it for BF3 its a 6850 for F's sakes. On youtube you can watch peeps play at 40-60 fps with this card on ultra settings. And why would you need all that RAM? You said you dont do video or audio editing so there is no need for 12-16 gigs as no game will utilize that for a very long time to come. Besides extra 4 gigs of ddr3 cost only 30-40 bucks.
So the more you type the more it seems you just want to argue to argue instead of actually learning something. Fine you dont have to build a pc, not forcing you to, just stating the facts, but spare me the convoluted excuses.