How is Illusion even practical? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:26 am

UESP says the AoE is 250 feet. There is no way that spell cast inside the city of Whiterun is hitting someone in The Pale. The closest thing I can think of is the farm where Cicero's wagon breaks down, and that is not even close. I would bet that it's either a glitch, or someone who is from The Pale is inside Whiterun and getting hit.

That is virtually the backyard of Dragonreach. And there isn't anyone from Pale in Whiterun.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:54 am

That is virtually the backyard of Dragonreach. And there isn't anyone from Pale in Whiterun.

According to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whitewatch%20Tower

Whitewatch Tower is about 250 ft. north of the base of Dragonsreach (see bullet point about the ore veins). Notice how far away Loreius Farm is on this map: http://www.uesp.net/maps/srmap/srmap.shtml?locx=29280&locy=7136&zoom=15

Unless there is something that modifies the spell AoE, I have no idea how the spell could hit anyone in The Pale. The OP hasn't mentioned if he had a follower or not.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 am

According Skyrim in game http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594716531778554253/8C8833478FB1B6F53706C210419B8BB89DFAE4F3/, the distance is half that. Besides the border is the Watchtower and not the farm. It's more likely that his Aoe effect when beyond the border than hitting someone from Pale in Whiterun. Besides the crime was committed in Whiterun, why would he get a bounty in the Pale?

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:18 am

How do you not see a problem? I used a spell that got me a bounty in TWO holds! Who knows who could have died from that spell!

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:35 am

According Skyrim in game http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594716531778554253/8C8833478FB1B6F53706C210419B8BB89DFAE4F3/, the distance is half that. Besides the border is the Watchtower and not the farm. It's more likely that his Aoe effect when beyond the border than hitting someone from Pale in Whiterun. Besides the crime was committed in Whiterun, why would he get a bounty in the Pale?

I just think it's really strange that the AoE would be that big. I've watched the guard outside Loreius Farm; his patrol ends WAY before the Watchtower. It has to be a good 700 feet minimum from where he is to Dragonsreach. To anywhere in front of Dragonreach is considerably further. Maybe the AoE is listed wrong on UESP, I don't know.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:25 pm

Illusion is amazing.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:42 am

Not it's not, they removed Silence and Chameleon :swear:

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:22 am

Chameleon was OP.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:03 am

How do you not see a problem? I used a spell that got me a bounty in TWO holds! Who knows who could have died from that spell!

I somehow missed this part. That's the greatest thing I've heard all day.

Not it's not, they removed Silence and Chameleon :swear:

Chameleon was neatish but it broke the game so hard once you managed to get 100% of it. Besides, if you just max out Sneak or invest even a bit of time in it and also get Muffle/Invisiblity, it's the same thing.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:16 pm

The range is pretty ridiculous. I usually stand outside of a keep's wall and cast master frenzy and everyone inside the entire keep will kill themselves. I once stood at the entrance of a dungeon and cast it and got the message of "level too high", meaning I was able to hit the dungeon boss from the dungeon entrance.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:17 am

Not it's not, they removed Silence and Chameleon :swear:

Yes, but they replaced it with the ability to more than double the effective level that the spells effect with dual casting. So now you can pretty much affect any level NPC with the right perks.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:06 pm

How do you not see a problem? I used a spell that got me a bounty in TWO holds! Who knows who could have died from that spell!

What likely happened is that the spell affected someone from the second hold who wandered into range.
Bounties are assigned not as a function of what geographical location you are in, but by what npc's they affect.
You can easily notice this after the civil war, when all the deposed jarls are holed up in either Solitude or Windhelm.
You can get bounties in the holds that they used to be thane of by attacking them, even though they no longer live there.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:00 am

That is virtually the backyard of Dragonreach. And there isn't anyone from Pale in Whiterun.

According to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whitewatch%20Tower

Whitewatch Tower is about 250 ft. north of the base of Dragonsreach (see bullet point about the ore veins). Notice how far away Loreius Farm is on this map: http://www.uesp.net/maps/srmap/srmap.shtml?locx=29280&locy=7136&zoom=15

Unless there is something that modifies the spell AoE, I have no idea how the spell could hit anyone in The Pale. The OP hasn't mentioned if he had a follower or not.

Isn't Whiterun (or other walled towns) in a different cell than the rest of the map? Kind of why we can't have levitation? Can a spell reach out of a city cell into adjacent cells?

Just asking.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:24 pm

Isn't Whiterun (or other walled towns) in a different cell than the rest of the map? Kind of why we can't have levitation? Can a spell reach out of a city cell into adjacent cells?

Just asking.

No it can't.

Someone from the Pale must have visited the city. Perhaps one of the Alik'r warriors? Or a courier?

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:10 am

That 5 bounty cant be from hitting something with the area of effect. Because the bounty for assault is 40. He should have gotten a 40 bounty in the pale as well if he hit a follower from there or whatever. This 5 bounty in the pale doesnt make any sense, theres no logical reason behind it because the only thing that will get you 5 bounty is stealing something worthless and maybe picking a lock.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:06 pm

That 5 bounty cant be from hitting something with the area of effect. Because the bounty for assault is 40. He should have gotten a 40 bounty in the pale as well if he hit a follower from there or whatever. This 5 bounty in the pale doesnt make any sense, theres no logical reason behind it because the only thing that will get you 5 bounty is stealing something worthless and maybe picking a lock.

5 bounty is for tresspassing actually. You are right, it does make no sense.