I don't kill Par.

only becuase all the witnesses are dead, all the victims are dead all tehir closest next of kin are dead.


and just t osay that he deseves to die for his crimes when you have no right to say it.. .welll....

I tried to kill the blades after the MQ and they kept suffering from the I AM immortal npc

Morrowind was a completely different situation. They were able to retain many of their customs when they became part of the Empire, including slavery. I'm surprised you missed that book in Oblivion that ranted about that very subject.

Fast forward to Skyrim - the Empire is severely weakened. Even if the rebels win, Skyrim is stretched too thin to worry about what happens to the Greybeards.

The Greybeards aren't self-sufficient, so their neutrality is going to cost them.

if the thalmor did do wipe out the Grey Beards....the backlash against them would be immense. Everyone in Skyrim and i mean Everyoen in skyrim respect the grey beards. look at the Civil War, most of Skyrim's population wasnt fighting or really caring one way or the other about the civil war......u kill the greybeards then thalmors got Skyrim's warriors and CIVILIANS along with Nord Empire soldiers attacking and mauling every thalmor that comes to sight. I knwo i know, soldiers and whatnot ok they be good for combat but civilians "they would be canon fodder"......normally u would be correct but this is Skyrim, and the Nords weither soldiers or not considering fighting to be a favorable pastime and also the Nordic fighting ferocity even intimates most races....especially high elfs seeing how whenever they get to big for thier britches a "Nord" comes along and either wipes the slate almost clean or deeply injures the High elfs to where they are set back for centuries at a time.

so ya, thalmor wont do that for simple fact of survivibity atm. And i have a feeling they wont do that while they are "buddies" with the Empire because i believe that would nullify the truce.

also even if rebels win.....they wont have just the ragtag army, they will have every jarl, soldier, civilian behind them under the rule of the High king. The stormcloak rebellion only had a faction of soldiers and civilians with the mass majority not getting involved or caring. Put a high king over them and then bam EVERY skyrim npc u see is a soldier for the army. Why else do u think they replaced all the empire's jarls?

The Thalmor won't act against them directly - they're not fools. All they'd have to do is cut the Greybeards off from the rest of the world. I pointed out how they could even get Imperial sanction to do it.

I am aware that later on, Morrowind becoming more Empire like custom with their god being dead; great house that is against the Empire in scatter, and the king being a patsy to rule them to the empire.

Even weaken, the Empire is still a threat to the Thalmor, with or without the Imperial sanction, as they don't have the resource to go to war again for awhile. If rebellion won, they just unite like how the Redguard of Hammerfell did and push the Thalmor out.

As for the neutrality of the greybeard, either side of the war won would not hurt or benefit the Greybeard in any way.

maybe true, but i got the impression that the greybeards werent really surviving or relying soley on the gifts that were brought. I mean the guy in the town only brings his supplies every couple fo months and he aint taking a mass provision up there and the place isnt VERY popular as in theres always a mass amount of people there visiting, even if they were a majority of them never even reach the top and if they do they never go again besides the one guy from town.

I've been a while, but now I've come back I can say that my point doesn't seem to be getting across.

If there is a posibility of something happening, given an eternity, it will.
We have allready seen paarth betray mortals before. We know it is possible.

And Paarth is still immortal, like all dragons really are (apart from when they are killed by a dragonborn). But just because something is immortal it does not neccecarily mean it will not age, Otherwise all dragons would really still be tiny whelps (asuming ofc that in the TES universe dragons weren't created as big as they were, I'm not too sure on that part). If that is the case then maybe Paarth was created to look like more of an elder. Or, there is allways the possibility he isn't old like we think it is. Those could just be battle scars we are seeing on him.

You're missing the point - if you sit on the fence, you cannot reasonably expect either side to take any risks on your behalf. And that's exactly what the Thalmor would be counting on. It's clear that the Empire is no threat to the Thalmor currently, and the smart thing for either side would be to consildate, get rid of some dragons first, and go after the Thalmor later. I wonder how much reverence the people of Skyrim would have for the Greybeards once word got around they're protecting one or more of them....

In my view Bolar was the last true blade.

'' I go forth to meet my death with honor. If you are worthy, take up my blade and do the same."

Paarthurnax never betrayed mortals. He was their enemy. He betrayed Alduin, by allying with mortals and teaching them to shout. I'm not going to kill someone just on the possibility that they might, however unlikely, betray me. Nirn would be a graveyard.

And surely the Greybeards position is stronger with Paarthurnax alive. Even if no other dragon agrees to follow the way of the voice. They've managed to survive for a very long time sitting up on their perch, without much in the way of outside aid. The Thalmor have a long way to go before they are a threat to High Hrothgar. Especially with me around, and I'm an Altmer, so it will be awhile.

The Blades are free to rebuild, and kill all the dragons they please, but not with my help. They've chosen their path. The only reason I would oppose them would be if they went for Paarthurnax. I'm sure they will exist as a dragon killing machine in the future.

@Bigbossbalrog: I'm honored to wield his blade.

I never got the feeling that there was really a great deal of respect for the greybeards. Mostly people were feeling resentful that the greybeards arent helping. The peace treaty happened there because they were trustworthy, not because they were respected.

FUS RO DAHing them into a river is much funnier. if you go east form whiterun untill you come acoss twin towers over a river then go south east untill you see another river then go upriver for awhile you will fine a giant waterfall with a log suspended over it, i suggest taking them there so you can do both (well, it isnt a mountain but bandits dont survive the falll )

I usually kill Parthurrax to prevent him from getting any chance in the future of betraying me but Esbern is useless. I would have no problem Fus Ro Dahing him into Oblivion or off of TOTW, Delphine's ok but Esbern is just terrible. I guess there's nothing wrong with not being associated with the current blades group, they are a bunch of boy scouts compared to the Blades of old. All I need to do is take the armor and blades and then I won't need them for the rest of the game.

Expect that these dragon do age, which would make sense when one would consider that all the dragons that use to work for the Empire is gone right now. Heck, Paarthurnax is consider the Old One by other dragons and he "felt" young again when one return to the Throat after beating his brother in Valhalla. Then there another account that from the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/olaf-and-dragon that the Dragon is getting too old and might as well go out with a bang. There ins't really any support of them living "immortally" via age like the PC of Morrowind.

What the Thalmor is counting on is that the Civil War continue on for many more decades, which would give them enough time to rebuild their army to destroy the Empire. What they didn't expect is the PC getting involve with one or the other side. The unexpected end of the war would either force the Thalmor to create another plan to prolong the Empire's resource while building their or hope that if the Empire lose, they don't see this as a wake up call and the Empire start being isolated themselves to be stronger without of the Skyrim help.

As for the fence, the Greybeard would last in if either side is victorious. If they ever get involve with one or the other side, then the trust they have with either side is gone and if the side they join lose, they are gone. Beside, we are talking pacifist monks here; they don't usually go to war or try to get into politic, as mention a bunch of times. Its like being against their way of life.

@Bigbossbalrog: Agree'd. I salute to the last Blade, who died in honor. You would not be miss, Acilius Bolar.

I don't get the impression that either the Stormcloaks or the Imperials 'trust' the Greybeards, but that's beside the point. The point I'm making is that if and when the Thalmor target them, the Greybeards have no allies. I also got the impression, as a previous poster stated, that the Greybeards don't command that much respect, aside from the Jarl of Whiterun. So, I seriously doubt there'd be any outcry if something happened to them, and it'd likely be months before anyone even noticed.

They don't, nor the Greybeards command other respects, but basically everyone know the value of what the Greybeards has and what they represent. And sure value is the reason why Greybeards are not stun by both side that easily and would not allow the Thalmor to kill that part of history. Yes yes, the Empire were force to stop the worship of Talos, but that doesn't stop the people of worshiping him and the Empire usually let that slide.

Um no - few recognise the Greybeards as being more than an obcsure order with the Power of the Voice (a power that was used to kill a king, no less). The Empire isn't letting Talos worship slide - anyone foolish enough to be open about it disappears. Even so, the Thalmor are operating with impunity in Skyrim, and should the Stormcloaks take control, they'd be too busy solidying their position to concern themselves with the fate of a bunch of hermits.

Few? Practically anyone in Skyrim, from the peasants to the Jarls to even the Head Imperial Army know they are the order with the Power of the Voice. And yes, I would take it that the Empire so let many slide when many worship Talos (Skyrim anyways), as it end up with the Thalmor doing the job instead. And should Stormcloak win, its kind of moronic for any Thalmor to be in Skyrim when they start kicking Mers out left and right that was "against" them. The Greybeards would not have to do a thing with all that process happening.

There is really no point in trying to remove the Greybeards at the moment. For one, trying to affect the Greybeards, either directly or indirectly, will be noticed, and since the Greybeards are neutral party, the Empire would think twice before sanctioning anything about it. White-Gold Concordant was a peace treaty, further commands won't be regarded with as much respect

Everytime a Greybeard whispers, the room shakes. If the Thalmor decided to kill them, they would either react out of self-defense or they will use magic Way of the Voice style. They can become ethereal, for nobody knows how long. I'm guessing that should be sufficient to sustain life

I will let Paarthurnax live today so we might meet on the field of battle as equals another time, if it must be so...

Statute of limitations has long gone. He lives.

I didn't see any reason to kill him, but I did want to smack delphine for coming to me like a little weasel AFTER the negotiations were over and the others were gone...and with the wrong tone at the worst time. I still go check on parthurrnax time to time and get my fus, feim, or yol fix...and I don't suspect he's behind the rogue dragons still wreaking havok here and there...more bones and scales anyway... He knows what side his bread is buttered on, so it's no sweat.

Parthurnaax protects the greybeards who keep the knowledge of dragon shouts alive.