Morrowind Guilds?

Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:14 pm

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll54/pero_lozhach/vivec.jpg That small hollow rock to destroy Vvardenfell?!
Yes, actually.


Vivec was absesnt, and he was the one who stopped the moon from falling, With him gone, it resumed it's previous course of destruction at the exact same velocity.


So yes, it went kerboom.


As for the Great Houses, I doubt any still remain. The last Living Heir of House Telvanni is a Dunmer stalkeeper with an Argonian name.


Oh how the mighty fall...
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Emily abigail Villarreal
 
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Post » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:23 am

Yes, actually....

Meh, imho - no way. You see red and orange on the pic? That would be the crater. VC would be in ruins - some cantons from direct impact, others would be damaged and possibly collapsed but ruins still visible. Wave would possibly splash Ascadian Isles and ruin the crops. But that's it.
The rock impact couldn't have same force as in the beginning cause it's mass if not the same cause it's hollow.
The whole idea of that is stupid, I don't care what second class jerk of a scribe says. (not you.. but you-know-who)
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:19 pm

Meh, imho - no way. You see red and orange on the pic? That would be the crater. VC would be in ruins - some cantons from direct impact, others would be damaged and possibly collapsed but ruins still visible. Wave would possibly splash Ascadian Isles and ruin the crops. But that's it.
The rock impact couldn't have same force as in the beginning cause it's mass if not the same cause it's hollow.
The whole idea of that is stupid, I don't care what second class jerk of a scribe says. (not you.. but you-know-who)

"Objects with diameters over 50 m (164 ft) strike the Earth approximately once every thousand years, producing explosions comparable to the one known to have detonated above Tunguska in 1908."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event

"The explosion knocked over an estimated 80 million trees covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi). It is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale. An explosion of this magnitude is capable of destroying a large metropolitan area"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:00 pm

You have extracted parts of the quote that suit your opinion, but:
"The most significant recorded impact in recent times was the Tunguska event, which occurred in Siberia, Russia, in 1908. This incident involved an explosion that was probably caused by the airburst of an asteroid or comet 5 to 10 km (3.1 to 6.2 mi) above the Earth's surface, felling an estimated 80 million trees over 2,150 km2 (830 sq mi)."
Not 50 m above ground. And hollow.
Try throw an egg into the wall. Then try to throw empty egg shell into the wall. :)

And "Scathing bay".. If the 'novels' were lore correct and if the author studied material, he would notice that VC is already built inside a bay.

Anyway, I apologise for straying from the topic of this thread, I'll stop now.
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Post » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:27 am

You are aware that Vvardenfell -hell, most of Morrowind- got nuked when The Ministry of Truth crashed into Vivec and made Red Mountain Erupt, yes?

Sounds like the perfect excuse to have some of Morrowind's organizations migrate to Skyrim.
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:55 pm

Sounds like the perfect excuse to have some of Morrowind's organizations migrate to Skyrim.


Agreed. We can all speculate on how extinct everyone in Morrowind is after the impact, But perhaps some places and groups were shielded from the blast? Being in an underground dungeon or a fortified ruin could have easily kept people alive..Thus, grey elves in Windhelm...If the event had completely wiped out everyone there, then why are there migrants in Skyrim FROM Morrowind?

Instead of finding ways for it not to work, why not try thinking of Lore friendly ways it COULD happen...The Vampire clans could have easily survived in some of the underground tombs and ruins they lived in...

Even in the most catastrophic events man has proved to be very resilient..
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:57 pm

I don't think anyone's arguing that literally nobody at all survived and for example every last member of House Redoran died, but that "Great House Telvanni branches out to Skyrim" is implausible, because it has no power base to branch out from, no money to fund large new settlements, and no influence to call on. House Telvanni refugees struggle to gain power in Skyrim? Yep.
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:47 pm

To be lore-accurate, you'd probably need to start from scratch, really. House Telvanni proper got annihilated on Morrowind and in the rest of the province by an army of enraged argonians, so whilst there's plenty of prospect for Telvanni refugees trying to grow new towers in the snow or what have you (and some nice Oblivion assets for it someone made) they're certainly not an established power any longer.

Oh, I know. When writing my original quests, all of the houses were basically just a few survivors struggling to gain minor footholds in the area (I had a different area in mind for each house). Things started with recruitment and fund raising by going after artifacts. The whole (long) quest line was basically the house's rise in power due to your actions guided by someone who was very much interested in re-establishing the house as something of note. I was even thinking to make it so you had to be Dunmer to move past a certain rank, as they might have felt a bit burned by the past.
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:55 pm

You'd think that's nowhere near a priority for refugee Dunmer in these times.
Why? People cling on to their traditions and beliefs, especially in times of turmoil.

Morag Tong killed people legally, they could do that because they where allowed by Morrowinds people in power. Outside of Morrowind they can't kill legally, since no other country recognize them as a legitimate guild. So Morag Tong wouldn't make much sense.
I guess the vampire clans could return, but they're about the only faction I can think of that would work, without too much work.

Some factions are there, but not expanded very well. I'd personally love to join the East Empire Company again.
The majority of Dunmer refugees are in eastern Skyrim, where the Stormcloaks hold the power, if you've travelled to Windhelm, you'll know that no officials care what the Dunmer do to each other as long as they stay away from the Nord population. Furthermore the Nord authorities dont do anything to help with any problems the refugees have. This situation is literally begging for organised crime to take over. Whether they are recognised by the country at large doesn't count for anything, see the Stormcloaks.

A faction related to administration of trade in the empire would be a welcome addition, in my book, but please don't call it the east empire company Skyrim is in the north of Tamriel.



Yes besides legion presence the Empire really has little to gain from a province like skyrim without exploiting its resourses. Remembering the Ebony mines in Morrowind. On that note I also miss the Imperial chapel mission that would still have its influence even without Talos.
THe reasons are strength unity and manpower. Just look at the great war, the only reason the empire wasnt totally crushed was because it had the allegiance of skyrim high rock and hammerfell at the time.

I can see Cyrodiil importing a lot of armour and weapons from Skyrim though, that would make a good basis for an empire trading faction
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Post » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:06 am

I don't think anyone's arguing that literally nobody at all survived and for example every last member of House Redoran died, but that "Great House Telvanni branches out to Skyrim" is implausible, because it has no power base to branch out from, no money to fund large new settlements, and no influence to call on. House Telvanni refugees struggle to gain power in Skyrim? Yep.
Considering the Last remaining Telvanni was raised by Argoninans...I think we can assume the House is for all intents and Purposes dead :P
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Post » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:58 am

I don't remember the mage from the College telling me she was raised by Argonians... I DO remember her telling me she was Telvanni, however. ;) Then again, I could have just totally missed that part.
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:45 pm

I don't remember the mage from the College telling me she was raised by Argonians... I DO remember her telling me she was Telvanni, however. ;) Then again, I could have just totally missed that part.
The Particular dunmer I reffer to is actualy Brand-Shei in Riften.


...Although I guess I should have said last remaining HIER to the House Telvanni. I didn't know there were others...
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:43 pm

If we bring anything over from Morrowind, it should be the vampire houses.
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Post » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:15 pm

Fine, since everyone is so damn against the houses being rebuilt :meh: lol...Then I think the next best thing would be what Scorpius suggested about how the Grey quarter is just RIPE for the forming of crime familes or perhaps even a NEW Dunmer "Great House"...

Obviously at first it wont be so "Great", But after some quests and other stuff, it will have a proper foothold in Skyrim, strong enough atleast to maintain a sizable faction...

I think that might be a cool alternative perhaps?

And as far as the Vampire clans go, I think they would be an excellent addition to the world of Skyrim...Even if they are NEW clans but still based of the same way the old ones were (Warrior, Mage, and Stealth specific clans). It actually could be alot of fun coming up with some new names/lore for Vampire clans...But on the other side, recreating the origional ones would be pretty sweet too...
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