I can't choose between the stormcloaks and imperials for my

Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:08 am

Besides, nords are pro religion and worship. Ulfric would look like a complete hypocrite by allowing talos worship and then banishing the worship of yet another god-like being.

Malacath was Trimimac, the god who cut out Shor's heart. So it's not inconceivable that Nords would want to outlaw his worship.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:41 am

Nords frequently love to shout "Skyrim is for the Nords!" By that I take it to mean that it's not for anyone else, Orcs included. And they certainly detest the Dunmer; look at their living conditions in Windhelm. And while it's true that no one likes the Thalmor, they're yet another non-Nord race the Stormcloaks despise. And of course they don't like Imperials either.

An Orc should join the Legion. It doesn't really matter at all but if one is trying to role-play the thing then it would be silly for an Orc to join the Stormcloaks. If it was a football game it'd be like tackling the guys on your own team.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:23 pm

Guys, i am going to join the imperials (with my orc, the majority of the rest of my characters support the stormcloaks)
The biggest reason is simple, for roleplay.
If i join with the stormcloaks it would be a bit too dull for this character, i can make up a great story if i join the empire with this one.

I don't think i am going to change my mind about this.

If she was a bosmer or nord i might have made a good story at the side of the stormcloaks, but for an orc i can only make that amazing story if i join the imperials.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:21 am

I had the same issue early on, but my Orc is definitely joining the Imperials after some thought.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:26 am

Malacath was Trimimac, the god who cut out Shor's heart. So it's not inconceivable that Nords would want to outlaw his worship.

No No No absolutely stupid.

Nords frequently love to shout "Skyrim is for the Nords!" By that I take it to mean that it's not for anyone else, Orcs included. And they certainly detest the Dunmer; look at their living conditions in Windhelm. And while it's true that no one likes the Thalmor, they're yet another non-Nord race the Stormcloaks despise. And of course they don't like Imperials either.

An Orc should join the Legion. It doesn't really matter at all but if one is trying to role-play the thing then it would be silly for an Orc to join the Stormcloaks. If it was a football game it'd be like tackling the guys on your own team.

They mean it as they want to rule their selves not a puppet empire. They respect the Dunmer because of their strength just like them and gave them a place to live since they had nowhere to go and only a few drunk bastards give them crap the rest are mad because the Dunmer won't help the stormcloaks.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:23 am

Nords helped to destroy Orsinium. There's a long history of trying to deny the orcs the right to a state. End of story, really.

And anyone who doesn't understand the meaning of the slogan "[blank] for the [blankians]!" BADLY needs to take a history course of some sort.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:39 am

Nords helped to destroy Orsinium. There's a long history of trying to deny the orcs the right to a state. End of story, really.

And anyone who doesn't understand the meaning of the slogan "[blank] for the [blankians]!" BADLY needs to take a history course of some sort.


The Redguards and Bretons were the ones who sacked Orsinium AKA while they were in the Empire. Doesn't make me feel all that good about them.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:32 am

It happened twice. And IIRC the Nords were involved. Haven't touched up on that part of the world in (literally) years, however.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:20 pm

I guess she would join the empire then, but she won't be very excited about it. She would probably be the character that wants to convince the empire to fight against the thalmor.

Um, there is no need to convince the Empire to fight against the Thalmor. Another war IS coming. And everyone knows it. The best candidate to oppose the Thalmor in the next war is a strong and united Empire. And anyone who things that Skyrim will do better on it's own in that next war is delusional.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:27 pm

The Empire has always been fair to Orcs. In fact, The Empire is the only one that has actually helped
the Orcs and recognized their claim to Orsinium. The Orcs have absolutely no reason to hate the Empire
or to help the Stormcloaks.

And if we're sticking with the lore, rebellious Shamans wouldn't last long in Orc strongholds.

EDIT:
In fact, there aren't any other race that would have less reason to support Ulfric Stormcloak.
Let's review:
Argonians: Black Marsh is now independent, and a united Empire would threaten their independence.
Khajiit: Same thing as with the Argonians, apart from the fact, that Elsweyr is officially in cahoots with the
Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor. A weakened Empire would benefit them.
Redguards: Angry with the Empire selling them out to the Dominion with the White-Gold Concordat, they
can relate to the wish for independence.
Imperials: Alot of Imperials were born outside of Cyrodiil, and have been known to adapt to other cultures
more rapidly and thoroughly than other races. It wouldn't be that strange for an Imperial to support Ulfric.
Altmeri: Same as with the Khajiit. A weakened Empire = Better chances for taking them down.
Bosmeri: Same as with the Altmer.
Dunmeri: While the Dunmer have little reason to support Ulfric, they are more likely to, seeing as how the Empire
couldn't do anything to prevent the Argonian invasion of Morrowind.
Bretons: Same as with the Imperials - Bretons didn't play a very big part in the Great War, and has been very
incognito during the struggle for power in Tamriel. A Breton could have loads of reasons for supporting the Stormcloaks.
Nord: For obvious reasons, they form the bulk of the Stormcloaks forces.

As for the Orcs, as I've mentioned, the Empire has always supported the Orcs in their struggle for independence and recognition.
In return, the Legion has benefitted greatly from Orc blacksmiths and their ferocious warriors. A mutual and prosperous deal.

I would say the Bosmer are the others most likely to support the Empire. When the Empire took control of Valenwood, they saw it too costly to fully take over, so they let the Bosmer keep their tribes, cultures and religous practises. Although I havent seen anything said otherwise, I doubt the Aldmeri dominion would give the Bosmer so much freedom. Don't forget the main quest
Spoiler
to get into the Thalmor embassy, the guy that helps you is Bosmer and you are told something along the lines of, there is no one less likely to betray you to the Thalmor.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:54 am

Nords helped to destroy Orsinium. There's a long history of trying to deny the orcs the right to a state. End of story, really.

First time, yes. Second time, no. The refugees from the attack fled TO skyrim. That'd be a little awkward. They seemed buddy buddy while attacking morrowind during Oblivion's time.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:34 am

I'd say that the local Nords do not like the Orcs.

When i walk into a city and a guard says "That stronghold, its very existence is an affront to my people" pretty much gives the first hint that the stormcloaks would not be welcoming.
The Empire on the other hand has long prized Orcish smiths for their craftsmanship and also used Orcs in heavy armour as shock troops.

Makes more sense I think.

Still the main people who would support the Stormcloaks in my view are the human races for the simple reason of Talos worship being much closer to their hearts, Hammerfell never accepted the terms of the concordat and was cut loose from the empire and handed to the Thalmor because of their refusal to ratify it, likewise Nords and Imperials both can be very uneasy about it as well, possibly Bretons also and that might give them a reason to side with them under the Talos rallying cry.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:30 am

I guess she would join the empire then, but she won't be very excited about it. She would probably be the character that wants to convince the empire to fight against the thalmor.

EDIT: But if she joins the empire she would fear the banishing of more gods, like R3NEGADE mentioned.

Uggghhh....this is just so hard.

For the record you can still join the Empire and fight the Thalmor yourself. It hasn't stopped my empire allied characters.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:06 am

My Orc would never collaborate with the Nordzi's, bunch of xenophobic racists they are.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:47 am

I'd say that the local Nords do not like the Orcs.

When i walk into a city and a guard says "That stronghold, its very existence is an affront to my people" pretty much gives the first hint that the stormcloaks would not be welcoming.
The Empire on the other hand has long prized Orcish smiths for their craftsmanship and also used Orcs in heavy armour as shock troops.

Makes more sense I think.

Still the main people who would support the Stormcloaks in my view are the human races for the simple reason of Talos worship being much closer to their hearts, Hammerfell never accepted the terms of the concordat and was cut loose from the empire and handed to the Thalmor because of their refusal to ratify it, likewise Nords and Imperials both can be very uneasy about it as well, possibly Bretons also and that might give them a reason to side with them under the Talos rallying cry.

No, I rather suspect the Bretons aren't as bothered about the banning of Talos worship as the Nords are. The Concordat reminds me too much of several real-world treaties forced on defeated nations - and practically guarantees the next Great War will happen. The Empire took devastating losses. Even modern-day countries take decades to recover enough to mount another war effort with the kind of losses the Empire took.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:33 pm

First time, yes. Second time, no. The refugees from the attack fled TO skyrim. That'd be a little awkward. They seemed buddy buddy while attacking morrowind during Oblivion's time.
Mercenaries, the rumors said. Very different from orcish political authorities and organizations.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:04 am

The Stormcloaks will use you as fodder in battle, then when they win, exile you form the land or have you working in a mine as a slave.
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