After redoing the college of winterhold quest something came in my mind. The Psijic Order has this mysterious power to observe the dragonborn so they must be very powerful.

It caught to my attention when Ancano lead me to the Archmage chamber to speak with someone from the Psijic Order, Quaranir. He used magic to speak with me in private. I asked him "Why should I trust you or your order? He replies back "The Thalmor see our Order as a threat because we have power, and we will not allow them to control us."

To make things nice and short since theirs a relationship going between the dragonborn and Psijic Order is it possible that they will assist the dragonborn when the war starts with the Thalmor? I honestly can't see the Empire winning or neither the Stormcloaks winning alone. I can't see the Order becoming allies with the empire or with the Stormcloaks... but I can still them becoming allies with the dragonborn.

Will the Order assist the dragonborn to defeat the Thalmor?

It would make sense to me if they did help out the dragonborn...maybe in the first dlc we'll get to continue the fight against the thalmor next?

But, since the game has two sides to choose from in the civil war, I don't think it would be easy for the devs to carry that off ...oh well I can hope can't I?

I doubt the Psijic Order has the numbers to deal with the Thalmor its a small select group of the elite. The Thalmor have an army to back them up. Certainly the Psiijcs could be invaluable allies against the Thalmor.

I would assume that one Psjjic has more power in his pinky toe than 1000 thalmor troops.

I had the impression that there were rather a lot of the Psijiic Order, but that they seldom concern themselves with anything but issues which might cause some serious problem in Tamriel when magic is involved.

The Psijic Order was a group of mages that believed only the elite and exceptional should study magic. They are reclusive and extremtly selective in who they allow to join their order those things point to a small group.

Perhaps. But without chapter and verse from Beth, I tend to doubt their numbers are few. Their home has room for hundreds....

If I recall it was said their numbers are suggested to be in the 500 range.

Honestly I dont know but I have wondered the same thing. The Psijic order are kind of hard to get a read on but I would love a DLC to go more into them, they havent been touched on to much in TES lore.

500 of the most powerful mages in the world. That's like 10 dragon born

They also happen to be bunch of Altmer supremacist as well, and will probably never get involved unless their land or race was at threat. Obviously not a bunch of imperialist like the Thalmors though.

They shy away from politics and seldom involve themselves with anything that doesn't concern them. From what I have read , that is the reason that the Isle of Artaeum disappeared from view. It would be interesting to have a DLC that involves them, unless Beth is saving that for for a future full-sized release.

Well the dragonborn faught a not fully powered alduin with 3 other people.
A psijic with a ftiend fought mehune dagon I think thats the name and beat him back into oblivion. I mean cmon even our coc couldn't even do that with sheo, we got one shotted.

So ya, I dont believe they need numbers, they might even be more powerful magically wise than our dragonborn.

I know Mer have long life-spans, but there can't be THAT many of them:


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Psijic_Order

The Psiijic Order is to Magick what the Greybeards are to the Voice, they will interfere in the affairs of others if they see a very negative outcome that can be avoided. The older Psijics are primarily Altmer and Dunmer, but the Order has members from every race.
The advice of trained Mystics like the Psiijic Order is respected enough that even a Nord like Galmar Stone-Fist would trust them if they decided that the Thalmor posed enough of a threat to creation to act directly.
If the Psiijic Order chose to support a Jarl, despite the best efforts of Ulfric or Tulius, any opposition to the chosen Jarl as a new High King would be a moot point.

I hope they will. My fear is that they will decide to join with the Thalmor. We really know nothing about them. But I think it's highly possible that they will intervene to kick the Thalmor to the curb so that the status quo ante will return in the Summurset Isle and they can go back to ignoring everyone.

That would be my take on it as well.... they're even more hermit-ish than I am IRL, and that's saying a LOT.

It would be interesting to see the Psijic Order go up against the Thalmor, their mages are obviously quality over quantity but would give the storm cloaks/anyone who opposes thalmor in the war a huge advantage.

PSJJJJ (AKA the Psijiic Order) could indeed destroy the thalmor, given what information we know. They're also polar opposites. The psijiic are described as a revolution of the young (by altmeri standards) reviving the ancient culture of prehistoric elves. The thalmor take all the negative aspects of the elder altmer and current altmeri culture and magnifies them. The Psijiic are descrived as having magic and power beyond our comprehension. The issue is, from what I've read, the Psijiic almost never directly interfere with the lives of regular mortals. This is why it was such a big deal that they appeared in the college of winterhold questline to help you. So all in all, it's more of a question of if they'd help, not if they'd win.

Well.... given they already decided to intervene....

Yes. As I said, that was an extremely rare case when something could have literally torn apart the planet at any moment. Honestly, I've never heard of another case of PSJJJJ doing such a thing. The thalmor are trying to destroy the univeree, yes, but it will likely tale them years. For that reason, I think the psijiics will "wait and see" until things go too far. Then again, no one knows enough about these people to understand them.

Isn't old Divath Fir an associate of the Psijiic Order (or at least someone in good terms with them)? I think I read it somewhere in TIL but I don't remember exactly where,

psijiic order had alrdy intervened in saving the emporer's life and the battle fo morrowind. Granted it was an unique psijiic, but none the less was oen who we hold the standard for them.

I don't *think* the Thalmor are after destroying the universe though. Just the humans who inhabit said universe, and the deity who just happened to be human when he ascended to godhood....

Talos was likely never a human. A being of the mortal plane cant become an Aedra. Gods are the "divine that created the profane" (nirn and its laws) and this process can't be reversed. He was most likely a shattered remain of the "missing god" Lorkhan, the enemy of elves, creator of nirn, and the source of red mountain, that took mortal form. Virtually all elves hate lorkhan, while humans revere him, which is the REAL reason the thalmor hate Talos. They DO want to remove humans from existance because they've accepted lorkhan's "curse" of mortality as a gift and have forgotten their mortal heritage. They see this as a permanent spiritual deficiency. By removing the "incurable" humans from existance, they believe they'll become one step closer undoing Lorkhan's curse. They also seek to, ultimately, destroy reality as we know it by causing a permanent "dragon break", which is an event that disrupts linear time, in effect destroying the universe as we know it. Only the elite thalmor seem to know this part though. Note that what I'm saying is based on documents found during the diplomatic immunity quest, as well as theories people have had about Talos since the early days of the series. The fact that the thalmor share these theories in these documents seems to add more credence to them.