races of tamriel...

Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:02 pm

hey evereyone, first off i would like to thank everybody who have replied to my posts over the past few days, very helpfull!

i have two questions, the latter of the two is more speculation than anything, but here goes...

1. i asked a while ago how long the beast races lived for, but i never actually got a answer....now i played ob and i am playing skyrim and as far as i am aware i dont think beth has ever dropped a hint at how long they live, or have i just missed something, i have a hunch that they live as logn as humans do though, prehaps a bit longer? if you know the answer please say.

2. naturally theres been lots of discussion on the forums about who will win the war in the end, man or elf? but as i was surfing the wiki yesterday i was facinated to see that there are actually other races that still live on tamriel, like the imga, they sound like sorta [censored] monkeys who adore elves? then theres the lilmothit, i know they died out but they where like the khajiit. i know about the sloads but they too are interesting.
the question is really why did these races never rise up like the others, i mean i know the sloads pretty much ruined thir chances with tamriel when they let loose that plague but the imga have never risen up like the others?

please speculate!

fisher

ps. i am willign to bet my bottom dollar that i nthe next game the main enemy will be one of the races from one othe other continents...
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:51 am

1. It's reasonable to assume beast races live as long as men. It's impossible to visually identify a Khajiit or Argonian as being elderly, but we've seen in TES IV an Argonian having an advlt daughter. Note that the life span of men is also vague. We can only safely conclude the life span of men from the reigns of emperors. Uriel Septim VII is exceptional in that he has managed to occupy a span of over 80 years in the timeline, but whether this is due to his impisonment in Oblivion is not clear. No one knows how much longer he could have lived, as he was murdered. Many emperors are murdered, I dare say a third, so their reigns don't truly indicate the full life span of men. The only other indicator is M'aiq the Liar. In Morrowind he is level 5, in Oblivion he is level 40, which corroborates he is one in the same, and has done extensive travel in 5 years. Skyrim's M'aiq alludes to both his father and grandfather. Since there is a 201 year span between Oblivion and Skyrim, we'd need to know how many generations of M'aiq there are. The implication is there is more than 2 generations between both M'aiq. We also lack the information of how long it takes a Khajiit or Argonian to reach the age of reproduction. We know mer become mentally ready at the same time as men, from The Real Barenziah. The beast races may or may not be ready sooner than men.

2. I'm assuming that by "rising up" you mean becoming a national-political group that the rest of Tamriel recognizes and deals with as a society.

Orcs were just a type of monster in Arena and Daggerfall, it was Morrowind they became playable. As the games go on, Orcs are turning out to be the more noble of the races. Orsinium wishes to be its own province, separate from High Rock. This gives hope in how much we can interact with those rare but sapient beings in future TES games.

Imga seem like they're supposed to be... how to put this... that sort of race that when you look at it, you have the same expression you had when you saw Gungans in Star Wars. I see Imga more as an atmospheric amusemant the elves kept around rather than as a distinct people. They only emulate the Aldmeri, whom they readily view as their superiors. Read their description again, Imga do their best to make fun of men. The Aldmeri Dominion, and other such mer supremacists, must find that behavior entertaining. Imga just aren't their own people.

Sloads no doubt would be enemies, they have the most necromancy out of any race, and that says alot when Altmer have produced powerful necromancers. Dealing with a Sload NPC would be like dealing with a daedra NPC, someone incredibly intelligent, deadly, and no reservations about ruining your well-being. As Sloads live on Thras, which is near Summerset, we would only see them if we have a game centered on Summerset.

Lilmothiit probably were just a developer suggestion, the only text that mentions them does so with their disappearance in the same passage. The account of Lilmothiit we see is an arm-chair account compiled by informants with no direct record of Lilmothiit, but only second-hand oral history over a 1000-year period. If they resemble Khajiit, are nomadic like Khajiit, then maybe they were Khajiit.

Kothringi have a bit more lore than Lilmothit. They're supposed to be the only men native to Tamriel, exclusive to Argonia, and yet they got wiped out. Call me crazy, but I think the arm-chair lore may have misidentified the Kothringi. Consider that very little is still known about Argonians, other than implications they ingest Hist sap to become so reptilian (thus begs the question, "What does an Argonian really look like?"). The last Kothringi were thought to exist roughly 1500 years before the reign of Uriel Septim VII, when the literature was authored. Maybe Kothringi were just a proto-Argonian group that absorbed into the Argonians we know today.

The monster sub-category of the Daggerfall bestiary provides many clues. Look at the Giant and Harpy, you can learn their languages to pacify them. Giants are obvious, you see them in TES V and they *are* passive to an extent. Harpies? Well, if you presume a Harpy can walk upright on two legs, it could very well be a Hagraven, a couple of which in TES V do speak. Imps, afaik, never were passive or spoke in TES IV, so that's likely a retcon. Spriggans were only hostile in Bloodmoon and TES IV, but there are certain NPCs in Skyrim that do happen to be Spriggans, though they do have every intention of killing you after a certain condition is met. Dragonlings, Nymphs, and Centaurs have yet to reappear in a TES game. In Arena there are Lizardmen, who are very distinct from Argonians, but nothing more is seen of them. We have several instances of goblins that continue to remain violent despite their basic tribalism. Falmer function in tribal units, but are so eroded from the people their ancestors were that they fall into the same category as goblins. All the above taken into consideration, there's a distinct line between a sapient creature and one that's willing to function in a larger society, especially with outsiders.

Another race still known to exist but never seen is the Maormer. Their king, Orgnum, tried to invade Summerset, but his fleet was destroyed. There's no indication that Orgnum has been replaced as king of the Maormer, so the kingdom of Pyandonea still exists in quiet isolation. It also makes Orgnum for a very powerful person, not unlike Divayth Fyr. Moarmer loathe Altmer, so it might benefit the Empire to form an alliance with Pyandonea to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion. The possiblity of seeing Maormer in any satisfactory capacity rests solely with a TES game taking place on the Summerset Isles.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:00 am

thank you for that post! its great to hear your infromation!

perosnally i think its a cert the next game will be in hammerfell or summerset isle, will we see a glimpse at other continents- maybe, or maybe not.

now i must clear something up about the imga post, now i havent watched star wars in about a two years, but if im correct the gungans were like jar jar bix's race yes? well if you remember they axtually had a soficticated society under the water, and they were capable of holding there own, having a huge army. if you read some of the star wars books it also says that they have done space exsloration and have settled on a nearby moon. :happy:, i hope we see the imga one day, and these maormer i have never even heard of, ive always wanted to see another of nirns continents....but tbh i think it will be akavari because tamriel has had a bit of history with them.

thanks again!

fisher
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:30 pm

Just to clear up something DrillBreak posted

ALL races come from Tamriel, even the Nords. The Kothringi are not the only race of man native to Tamreil all of them were, they were created on top of Snow-Throat and some left for Atmora then came back, and some stayed in Tamriel.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:45 am

ummm no the humans all came from atmora, the continent north of skyrim. they were nords and nedes and they developed into nords/imperials/bretons. this is with the exception of the redguards who used to be yokudans from the continent to the west called yokuda.

when the humans came they conquered the elves who lived all across tamriel. as a result 2 races of elves, the falmer and the ayleids were completely wiped out. well falmer still live as cave dwelling creatures. also the elves werent the first people on tamriel either. they conquered the native beastfolk long before the humans came.

so no, the only natives to tamriel are the beastfolk
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:17 am

also the sloads or whatever arent even on the contient of tamriel. they live in the kingdoms of thras which is south of tamriel
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