So, just like when I picked up Fallout 3, I picked up the Collector's Edition of New Vegas, as Fallout is one of my favorite RPGs of all time.

When I opened it, I noticed a "Platinum Chip", some Poker chips, and a deck of playing cards. I was really excited about the playing cards, something I could actually USE! I was thrilled.

Well, after a two weeks or so, I finally opened the playing cards (wanted to keep them sealed up a bit longer, I dunno, guess I was eager to play)...only to find out they aren't "Legal" playing cards, as they all have different backings on them from the respective casinos of New Vegas.

It appears to be a Caravan deck more than anything (kinda pointless if nobody else has them), they are still unplayable because its effectively a marked deck. Certainly can't play Poker with it.

Why in the world did you guys at Obsidian/Bethesda choose to do it this way? I was so very excited to have my Fallout Playing cards now to only realize I can't even use them for anything, not even Solitaire (again, MARKED).

Fallout 3 had such an awesome Collectors edition with the Lunchbox and Bobblehead, how could you screw this one up so badly?

Play Caravan?

Wow, I haven't opened mine. I think that's awesome. I bet they match the cards you can find in game.

Are you also going to complain that your poker chips aren't good in any real life casino?

I had the same reaction.

The design is great and all but they're useless.

The don't match the cards you find as far as I can tell, they do have pictures of game characters on them (along with quotes), but it says "Playing Cards" on the box, I was kinda hoping to get a legal 52 card deck of cards.

I think them going out of their way to make them un-useable by giving them all seemingly random backings is a bit [censored].

Also, your anology about the chips is a terrible one.

The cards are awesome. I have no complaints.

Find somebody that has them and play Caravan.

Unless you can memorize which cards have which backings I don't see how your complaint is valid. Did you really expect to get a set of 'legal' playing cards? Also, being as how the Caravan card game was created for FONV, why would you not expect to get a set of cards that matches the game? Seems to me like you should have done your research first. I did and I knew how the cards would be. In my opinion this is one of the better game collector's editions I have seen and purchased and believe me, I have quite a few collector editions.

But it was funny.

The point is they aren't supposed to be real world practical items. They are game related. Break the deck down into two, add in some real life playing cards and play caravan with a friend. Two 30 card decks. You only need 8 extra cards to do that. It would fit the flavor of the game as well, adding cards as you find them, not caring about the backs.

I don't even LIKE Caravan, I've tried it multiple times and the game simply doesn't make any sense to me. Half the time the game tells me I can't put any of the cards in my hands on the table, or I'll just randomly lose a game and have no idea what my opponent did to achieve "victory condition".

I'd rather play Poker with my friends with a cool deck of cards, instead of trying to teach them some weird convoluted game with a marked deck.




I believe 3 of the Lucky 38 cards are Aces, its not like the backs are spread out evenly as to effectively be unknown.

In my deck 1 of the aces is an atomic wrangler, 1 is a gomorrah, and 2 are vault 21. However, how many other cards have those backs? Will you assume that if I have 2 vault 21 cards showing that they are aces? Could easily be a 5 of diamonds or an 8 of hearts or any other cards. There's no way you can possibly memorize which card has which back.

If I knew your deck of cards and knew 2 of your Vault 21 cards were aces...and you had two, and were betting, yes, I'd assume you had them.

Thats exactly the problem with a stacked deck.

Also, I don't need to memorize them all, just 16.

Unless of course i knew you were assuming that, in which case i would be bluffing. I've been told that my poker face gives less away than the faces on Mount Rushmore. Ah well, I give up. Sounds like one of those people who aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.

You should have gotten the Fable 3 SE. That would have made you happy. But then you would complain that you cant actually read the book because its fake.

And you sound like one of those people who try to excuse everything, even when its clearly stupid for it to have been done the way it was done.

Yeah, you could be bluffing, but you have the advantage of the deck to bluff with, not your ability to actually bluff...THIS IS WHY MARKED DECKS ARE NOT ALLOWED FOR REAL PLAY.

They basically gave me 52 laminated coasters, because as playing cards, they cannot function in the way intended, because they are marked. You are obviously not a card player at all, any person who plays cards will tell you the cards have to be the same.

Hell, they could have put the casino's on the front faces, and made all the backs "Obsidian Entertainment" for all I care, at least they would have all been uniform.

Bethesda i am UPSET with my Fallout 3 Survival Edition! The so-called Pipboy you included does NOT, I repeat does NOT tell me my medical condition nor show my inventory. What is much worse however is that I get lost all the time because I cannot get the world map or local map to show up. I demand a refund!

But oddly enough, the Lunchbox works perfectly. Also, the pip-boy was advertised as a clock.

Your argument is a TERRIBLE straw-man.

The box saying PLAYING CARDS, for my to expect PLAYING CARDS to follow the basic rule of playing cards, and have uniform backings is NOT, I repeat, NOT reaching for the clouds.

It would be like if you bought a pack of Bicycle cards and there were 4 different backings in them, or went to the real Las Vegas and played Blackjack at a table not only using multiple decks, but using different types of decks.

Its not stupid. It makes sense. The caravan deck my character carries is very much like the caravan deck that comes with the SE. Its not a set designed for professional poker playing. It comes with a card that explains the game of caravan.

Now because you dont want to take a five minutes and learn to play a simple game, the cards are coasters? Over dramatic much?

Stupid for it to have been done the way it was done? They did it that way because they wanted it to match the card game they developed for the game. Is this clear enough for you?

As for me not being a card player at all, tell me then why do I go to Vegas once a year and come back home with exactly the money I left with? This means I win enough at blackjack and poker to pay for my trip including meals, gas for the car, and motel rooms. Yes, I am clearly not a card player. Again, they designed the cards to match the game they developed for the game. I knew this before I ordered the collector edition. You obviously assumed it would be a regular deck because you did not investigate first. You know what they say about assuming I gather?

I remember the online description saying a deck of cards to play a (unnamed game) developed for in game play. its purpose was to be able to play caravan in real life.

Really? Do they play with decks of cards with different random multiple backings in the imaginary Las Vegas you wish yourself off to?

I didn't assume [censored], I didn't have any idea what came with the collectors edition, I didn't look it up at all. I simply opened it, said, "Wow, playing cards, NEAT! Oh, wait, I can't even use them for anything..." and was really disappointed that this item that I got excited for will likely never see daylight again, as I have no reason to open the box again.

The chips make a cool display item, the cards are OKAY for this...but I'd rather they were useable as actual playing cards.

Why do you keep on saying you cant use them for anything? You can use them for what they are made for. To play Caravan.

Funny how you ignore this to make yourself feel better about your pity party.

I see, you refer to logic when bringing up the straw-man rule yet engage in ad hominem when it suits you.

Well since you didn't bother to investigate what came with the collector edition, your entire rant about being upset that these are not 'legal' poker cards is worthless. You made a wrongful assumption and because your assumption was not based on any facts, your complaint is not valid.



Seems to me like you did make an assumption.

GO AND BUY A PACK OF ￡1 PLAYING CARDS YOU BORING BASTARD, IL PAY PAL YOU THE QUID IF IT SHUTS YOU UP. IF YOU BUY A GEEKY COLLECTORS EDITION OF ANYTHING, EXPECT GEEKY USELESS ITEMS

Perhaps if I was interested in playing Caravan, but I'm not, not even in game.

Then the fault lies with you for not liking Caravan, not with Obsidian.