Reasons to include thu'um in future TES games. : V

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:47 pm

Do you think Thu'um/dragon shouts should be in future TES games? If so, what's your logic for their inclusion? I came up with the idea that in the future after the Dovahkiin defeats Alduin with his shouts, thu'um becomes very popular and develops into it's own school of magic. If you don't think it should be it's own school of magic, some of the shout effects could easily be added to already existing schools such as "Ice Form" "Become Ethereal" "Unrelenting Force" ect. Do you like these ideas?

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:16 am

It depends on a few factors, the most important one being Dragonborn and that I doubt will happen again. To predict I would say no but who knows with Beth.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:07 am

I think it might be a regular skill in future ES games.

If you're not dragonborn you would have to learn it like you learn other things.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:22 am

Depends on the story, if your dragonborn sure, if your not, then maybe you have the option to study it or learn it, like the greybeards did

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:12 pm

Well, not unless it works with whatever new setting they decide to use and fits with the lore of that game. Otherwise, just bring back some of the stuff they cut out of the magic system and people should be able to get the same effects.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:08 pm

It depends on a few factors, the most important one being Dragonborn and that I doubt will happen again. To predict I would say no but who knows with Beth.

Being Dragonborn only lets you kill dragons and absorb their power, not use Thu'um.

Thu'um can be learned by those who study it.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:43 pm

Thu'um existed and was practiced well before Skyrim. the implications of not includign it in the next installment is unkown, I'd agree I'd want to see it as well. if anything as a Style of Magic rather than the focus. Potential for a more varied TES title this time around?

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Being Dragonborn only lets you kill dragons and absorb their power, not use Thu'um.

Thu'um can be learned by those who study it.

But it takes years to learn a Thu'um if your not Dragonborn.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:28 pm

The real question will be if dragons will be in another tes game.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:26 am

I hope that in a future installment that all the affects are included in the magic system.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:38 am

Here's a scenario, the Dragonborn disagrees with the Greybeards that the Thu'um is only for the few, and establishes an academy of the Thu'um in Whiterun. Within a few decades these academies have spread to almost every province in Tamriel.

But it takes years to learn a Thu'um if your not Dragonborn.

It takes years to master illusion/stealth/swordplay/smithing also, doesn't stop the player character from learning these things extremely quickly.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:06 am

lets face it, the only reason why magic svcked is because we also had thu'ums so if they want to make maagic decent in future ES games they have to scratch the thu'ums.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:09 pm

But it takes years to learn a Thu'um if your not Dragonborn.

Considering the games are set so far apart, I am sure when the next game hits, a group, or single person had more than enough time to learn.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:56 pm

Here's a scenario, the Dragonborn disagrees with the Greybeards that the Thu'um is only for the few, and establishes an academy of the Thu'um in Whiterun. Within a few decades these academies have spread to almost every province in Tamriel.

From the looks of it, the Dragonborn would have trouble teaching people how to shout considering it's an inborn talent more than anything else. He/she just can, where as others learn. It would be like if he/she were trying to teach the blind the colour blue, or to put it in D&D terms a sorcerer teaching trying to teach a wizard how to use magic.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:48 am

Its magic from your mouth instead of hands. At least the magic gives you different pretty colours for different effects. Just allow more magic abilities next time around.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:56 pm

Won't happen.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:48 am

No, the Thu'um is only for the Dragonborn, and is also useless without having dragons around to absorb from.

Its the same as there aren't Oblivion gates in Skyrim.....or Sixth house bases....each game has unique aspects....and they shouldn't be carried over between games unless it makes sense.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:13 am

Won't happen.

The question is SHOULD it happen, and why? Saying it won't happen is a waste of time.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:42 pm

No, the Thu'um is only for the Dragonborn, and is also useless without having dragons around to absorb from.

Its the same as there aren't Oblivion gates in Skyrim.....or Sixth house bases....each game has unique aspects....and they shouldn't be carried over between games unless it makes sense.

Thu'um is not only for the Dragonborn. The Greybeards aren't Dragonborns and neither is Ulfric Stormcloak.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:24 pm

From the looks of it, the Dragonborn would have trouble teaching people how to shout considering it's an inborn talent more than anything else. He/she just can, where as others learn. It would be like if he/she were trying to teach the blind the colour blue, or to put it in D&D terms a sorcerer teaching trying to teach a wizard how to use magic.

Just because someone learns something easily doesn't mean he can't teach it.

Besides it's an inborn ability for

Spoiler

Parthunax

but he can still teach it.

No, the Thu'um is only for the Dragonborn, and is also useless without having dragons around to absorb from.

If it's only for the Dragonborn than how do you explain the Greybeards.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:19 pm

Greybeards didn't have a monopoly on teaching Thu'um. As the Greybeards were pacifists, Tiber Septim founded an Imperial College of the Voice in Markarth, specifically for martial purposes. No reason why it couldn't resurface somewhere else.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:46 pm

Thu'um is not only for the Dragonborn. The Greybeards aren't Dragonborns and neither is Ulfric Stormcloak.

yes, because as a Player character we will be forced to spend decades doing nothing but meditating and learning Thu'um. its not going ot happen fro ma gameplay perpective.

Not to mention that in the next game, it (99% sure) wont be in Skyrim and therefore no greybeards.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:53 am

.......the Greybeards are not Dragon born, but they use Thu'um.

Ulfric is not Dragon born, but he uses thu'um.

Windcaller wasn't a Dragon Born, but he could use thu'um

LORE DICTATES NORD WERE KNOWN TO USE THU'UM and they are not all Dragonborn.

Dragon Born doesn't mean I can use Shouts, Dragonborn means shouts are easier to learn and he can absorb souls Fullstop.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:56 pm

I think the effects of the Thu'um will be refined into spells for regular magic users, as the Thu'um is a crude way of doing things compared to high magic.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:38 pm

Thu'um is not only for the Dragonborn. The Greybeards aren't Dragonborns and neither is Ulfric Stormcloak.

You have a point.

I would like to see them added into a magic system with spell creation, that would allow for some great combinations. :sorcerer: