Red meat, fizzy drink....bad? : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:30 pm

It comes down to this:
Would you rather live to 100 and get to eat/drink nothing enjoyable or would you rather live to 80 and get to enjoy the food/drink that you like?
That seems like a slam dunk decision to me, I didn't have any plans for the 80-100 range anyway.

I'd rather do what I want when I want, because I want and then die. Because what am I going to achieve with 20 more years of life that I could have done in the previous 70 or 80. Don't see the point in prolonging life after the point it should have passed, can't say I'm afraid to die, surely beats living to 100 as dying fool relying on others for support.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:33 am

The red meat one pisses me off. I doubt our ancestors died prematurely from having beef every day. Not that I do, but it's dumb to make it seem unhealthy.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:48 am

No tea for you, eh? I thought you were implying it's bad for you. It's not bad for you. Not overly healthy either, but better than soda or sugary juice.
And the smell of coffee rules. :tongue:

No, no tea :yuck:

and even though I love chocolate; No hot chocolate either <_<

No, it really doesn't. I had two departments in school, Modern Studies (included history/geography/politics) and Biology, and I'd have to go by the teachers base every single day at least 4 times each and it reeked to the high heavens, pupils and other teachers complained about it but no matter how much they "tried" to control it the smell was always terrible in those corridors - even days when the coffee drinkers were off.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:33 am

The red meat one pisses me off. I doubt our ancestors died prematurely from having beef every day. Not that I do, but it's dumb to make it seem unhealthy.

Well no, most didn't live long enough to die young from eating red meat. They died young regardless so it really wasn't a worry. Their life expectancy was about 40.

No hot chocolate either :dry:

Whaaaa?

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:02 pm

I'm talking about the last generation, so grandparents.

There was a really interesting article in the paper here. It was about a guy who was a vegan, but really unhealthy. He went back eating how his grandparents did and lost a ton of weight and regained his health. No low fat spreads, or soya milk and the rest of that well marketed crap.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:56 am

I'm talking about the last generation, so grandparents.

Ancestors had me confused. Both of my grandfathers loved their red meat, both developed heart disease, and neither of them made it past 50. FWIW.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:55 am

No hot chocolate either :dry:

Whaaaa?

That's just crazy talk!

Cacao is actually very good for you. It has the same effects as caffeine, keeping you awake and more alert, except it doesn't affect the nervous system or raise your blood pressure. It does this by dilating your blood vessels, which means that more oxygen reaches more of your body. Basically, it gives you a mini-aerobic workout.

Note: this doesn't mean "eat lots of any kind of chocolate" -- only dark chocolate will have this effect (because milk chocolate doesn't have much cacao in it), and, as always, you should moderate how much of it you eat.

Ancestors had me confused. Both of my grandfathers loved their red meat, both developed heart disease, and neither of them made it past 50. FWIW.

Seriously?

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:43 am

Whaaaa?

I don't like it, it's a hot drink.
I love chocolate and I love the smell, but I just can't drink the stuff without leaving more that 3/4 of a cup full.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:05 pm

I'm at no present risk from it just now and as for the future, it's the future and I'll deal with that obstacle when it comes. As for dealing with diabetes :shrug:

I do enough running with the dog to help counter the drawbacks of a good can of Irn-Bru and with my younster sister already getting it somehow I think I'll be able to cope with it and control it easy enough, plus if I didn't drink fizzy juice where would I get my energy...Coffee.... :blink:

Er, as someone still dealing with the effects of a heart attack thanks to unexpectedly developing diabetes, be careful with the assumptions. Not that I'm going to turn into a real lecture merchant advising people to consume only lettuce, considering I still enjoy red meat, cheese, eggs, chocolate, coffee and various other things that will no doubt make me die in nasty ways, just wanted to say not to be too complacent.

Edit: for the record, the diabetes was probably caused by chronic insomnia and exacerbated by a somewhat sugary diet; the docs never said I should avoid any of the above, but I do need to restrict my sugar/carb intake quite seriously.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:29 am

Er, as someone still dealing with the effects of a heart attack thanks to unexpectedly developing diabetes, be careful with the assumptions. Not that I'm going to turn into a real lecture merchant advising people to consume only lettuce, considering I still enjoy red meat, cheese, eggs, chocolate, coffee and various other things that will no doubt make me die in nasty ways, just wanted to say not to be too complacent.

If you don't mind me asking, was it a genetic development or was it from a poor diet?

(Not leading up to anything snide btw, just curiousity. :laugh:

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» Mon May 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Ancestors had me confused. Both of my grandfathers loved their red meat, both developed heart disease, and neither of them made it past 50. FWIW.

My father is 83 years old and is one of the single most healthy individuals I know of; outside of his back problems (which are a result of being a manual laborer his entire life, not his diet) he is in perfect health.

He also eats everything that the doctors tell us not to (except for coffee, which he stopped drinking when they raised the price in 1950 and soda which he never really had access to as a child). Anecdotes are fun!

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:08 am

If you don't mind me asking, was it a genetic development or was it from a poor diet? :ohmy:

(Not leading up to anything snide btw, just curiousity. :laugh:

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Didn't spot this while I was editing my post! Nobody's sure why it appeared, but it seems my rather poor (at the time) diet was responsible for worsening the condition. I have heard that long-term sleep disorders can cause it to happen, and since I have a long-term sleep disorder, that seems like as good an explanation as any.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:15 pm

Didn't spot this while I was editing my post! Nobody's sure why it appeared, but it seems my rather poor (at the time) diet was responsible for worsening the condition. I have heard that long-term sleep disorders can cause it to happen, and since I have a long-term sleep disorder, that seems like as good an explanation as any.

Makes sense. My diet used to be bad. Hot Pockets through out the day, unhealthy cheap junk food en masse, etc. I cut that out around this time last year and between that and exercise dropped down from 210 lbs to 156 lbs. :laugh:

(Though I do admit, I do have the occassional weakness for Cherry Dr. Pepper and those pretzel filled M&Ms, Soooooooo delicious <3) Although I do still seem to have trouble keeping true to my attempts at a sleep schedule. >_>

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:12 pm

Makes sense. My diet used to be bad. Hot Pockets through out the day, unhealthy cheap junk food en masse, etc. I cut that out around this time last year and between that and exercise dropped down from 210 lbs to 156 lbs. :laugh:

(Though I do admit, I do have the occassional weakness for Cherry Dr. Pepper and those pretzel filled M&Ms, Soooooooo delicious <3) Although I do still seem to have trouble keeping true to my attempts at a sleep schedule. >_>

The biggest problem with Hot Pockets is that they very quickly put you over the daily hard cap on Sodium intake (sodium soft cap is based on caloric intake, hard cap is at 3,000 mg/day)

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:39 pm

Makes sense. My diet used to be bad. Hot Pockets through out the day, unhealthy cheap junk food en masse, etc. I cut that out around this time last year and between that and exercise dropped down from 210 lbs to 156 lbs. :laugh:

(Though I do admit, I do have the occassional weakness for Cherry Dr. Pepper and those pretzel filled M&Ms, Soooooooo delicious <3) Although I do still seem to have trouble keeping true to my attempts at a sleep schedule. >_>

I need to make a proportionally similar amount of weight disappear. Unfortunately I still haven't found the answer to the sleep problem which is making it quite tricky, annoyingly, though I found cutting down on sugar was a lot easier than I'd expected. Partly down to simply eating less of it, partly as I discovered that artificial sweeteners aren't anywhere near as vile as I'd expected (I can't drink tea or coffee unsweetened) though the various health scares surrounding them have proven remarkably persistent.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:33 pm

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/892930-bacon-sandwiches-and-fizzy-drinks-take-years-off-your-life

I actually find this research daft, it seems scientists just look for any reason to scare the population into "being healthy".

Right so by those calculations I've well raised my chance of death by 1000% - wait I've increased the chance of death, that very think that is inevitable :ohmy:

Right now here is where it falls apart...1 can of juice here is 330ml, now everyday I was at school and here in work I have had atleast one to three cans of juice, not to mention I've drank well over 330ml on holidays from bottles. So I'll do a little math with this.....365 * 15 = 5475 so thats 5475 drinks for 15 years (Primary 1 until now). Now if each one is carries a 20% I'm something like 1095% at risk from heart disease....Shouldn't I be dead by now :shrug:

Does the research actually get taken seriously? But being supa cereal for a moment, by these findings shouldn't humans have collapsed since from the beginning we've been eating red meat?

What do you guys think of this kind of research?

It's mostly people complaining that scientists need to do more research to make them healthy. I mostly point my finger at the moron fat [censored] that is pounding down 3 ultra big macs down his dang throat every single day. You want to live healthier I got a tip for you STOP EATING FAST FOOD! Still annoyed that the US court system even allowed that group of overweight obese teens to sue McDonald's cause "their food made them fat."

Dealing with this article I file it under the the most "Shocking" revelation of breathing in dirty air can potentially give you cancer. :confused:

(Really scientists? What happen to common sense here?)

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:32 am

As someone nearing his 783rd birthday, I can say this is absolute tripe. Delicious!

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:48 am

Er, as someone still dealing with the effects of a heart attack thanks to unexpectedly developing diabetes, be careful with the assumptions. Not that I'm going to turn into a real lecture merchant advising people to consume only lettuce, considering I still enjoy red meat, cheese, eggs, chocolate, coffee and various other things that will no doubt make me die in nasty ways, just wanted to say not to be too complacent.
Edit: for the record, the diabetes was probably caused by chronic insomnia and exacerbated by a somewhat sugary diet; the docs never said I should avoid any of the above, but I do need to restrict my sugar/carb intake quite seriously.

For all I know I could be walking around with diabetes right now and my suagry diet and running is what's keeping it in check right now. My sister got it when she was like 12 or something and the only reason we found this out was because she'd constantly get up at night to pee and drink loads of Pepsi-Max for whatever reason, maybe to restore her sugar level but it was sugar free so she was drinking litterally a litre before going back to bed to get up again hours later.
But again I'd rather deal with it when and if it comes rather than living in fear of it coming when it may never actually be present in my system.

Still annoyed that the US court system even allowed that group of overweight obese teens to sue McDonald's cause "their food made them fat."

Wha!? Please tell me they lost :confused:

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:18 am

Still annoyed that the US court system even allowed that group of overweight obese teens to sue McDonald's cause "their food made them fat."

Allow? You can try to sue for anything, but such idiotic cases are http://articles.cnn.com/2003-09-04/justice/mcdonalds.suit_1_obesity-suit-samuel-hirsch-explicit-allegations?_s=PM:LAW.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:28 am

Wha!? Please tell me they lost :confused:

Allow? You can try to sue for anything, but such idiotic cases are http://articles.cnn.com/2003-09-04/justice/mcdonalds.suit_1_obesity-suit-samuel-hirsch-explicit-allegations?_s=PM:LAW.

It was not dismissed, and they won.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:03 am

i eat fast food every day suplemented by candy, been doing so for nearly a year. Right now i am in the best shape of my life, this is because my job requires a lot of physical exertion. it would be more accurate to say that being sedentary increases your risk of heart disease by 20%.

its typical to blame peoples problems on inanimate objects when its the peoples lack of responsibility that causes the issue.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:07 am

i eat fast food every day suplemented by candy, been doing so for nearly a year. Right now i am in the best shape of my life, this is because my job requires a lot of physical exertion. it would be more accurate to say that being sedentary increases your risk of heart disease by 20%.

its typical to blame peoples problems on inanimate objects when its the peoples lack of responsibility that causes the issue.

When people do research about foods, life expectancy and health risks, they tend to control for things like sedentary lifestyle. :rolleyes:

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:26 am

It was not dismissed, and they won.

Where are you getting your facts?

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:54 pm

When people do research about foods, life expectancy and health risks, they tend to control for things like sedentary lifestyle. :rolleyes:

i would not make that assumption, lately these kind of studies do not even follow the basic process for conducting experiments that you are tought in highschool. my favourite example is a study that concluded that feeding solid foods to toddlers would cause them to become obese when they grew up. Which then leads quite a few people to believe that giving infants and toddlers foods like carrots and sliced fruits to be poor for the childs diet. when the study was obviously concerning solids such as cheeseburgers and french fries.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:35 am

For all I know I could be walking around with diabetes right now and my suagry diet and running is what's keeping it in check right now. My sister got it when she was like 12 or something and the only reason we found this out was because she'd constantly get up at night to pee and drink loads of Pepsi-Max for whatever reason, maybe to restore her sugar level but it was sugar free so she was drinking litterally a litre before going back to bed to get up again hours later.
But again I'd rather deal with it when and if it comes rather than living in fear of it coming when it may never actually be present in my system.

Diabetes often causes that. I think it may be due to the body's attempt to remove sugar, not replenish it, though I'm not exactly sure; but whatever it is, it makes you very thirsty. I was drinking up to six pints of water overnight at one point.

You are right about not living in fear of stuff that might happen, though: it's good to be aware, but it's not good to end up being neurotic!