This is not a discussion about the DLC itself. My suggestion is that some bonus content should be given discounted or free of charge as a gesture of goodwill for troubles caused. I am curious if anyone feels the same way. It is in this forum because this is where people are having the software issues. Essentially we have been post sale quality control, and wasted much time with broken saves.

It doesn't have to be the December DLC. I remember back when I was playing WOW, after beta testing finished and you had to subscribe, there were server issues sometimes and we would be given free days or weeks depending on the issue.

There must be something they could throw our way. Perhaps an Avatar item.

Does anyone agree? What would you like?

I don't agree most of the problems were user specific, and mainly not there fault, there is still some things that were wrong with the game when it was released, but they have been fixed

"There is still some things wrong with the game" and "they have been fixed", those two sentences don't make any sense, besides the overiding problem regarding save bugs has certainly not been fixed!.

Sorry to have to violently disagree with you about this, Swarley. The issues with the game are manifold, and many are game-breakingly profound. If you haven't encountered any, then you are fortunate. Keep playing! As time goes by, the likelihood that you'll suffer a corrupted save or a freeze will only grow. Bethesda has acknowledged some of the problems, and they say they're working on it. But in the meantime, lots of us can't play, or after having suffered a few corrupted saves that completely obliterate hours of hard in-game work, many of us simply don't feel we can risk playing it again until it's fully patched, for fear of wasting still more time and energy on game progress that could vanish at any time due to a mostly unpredictable save corruption.

As far as the OP's question goes, sure, it'd be nice if Bethesda and/or Obsidian kicked in some kind of free aftermarket grooviness to acknowledge our frustration. But who knows how likely that is? I guess it depends on how embarrassed they are at a corporate level at the travesty they released. It's possible that they've completely run out of [censored.] Maybe they really do expect to utilize cash-bearing end-users as their Test Team. Maybe it was their plan all along to release the game the moment it looked remotely playable, and to worry about ironing out the kinks only after the game showed a profit.

I hope it's more likely that they're appropriately embarrassed, are scrambling to fix it as quickly and thoroughly as possible, and that they truly regret our inconvenience.

But it's probably too much to hope for some kind of reward for putting up with this. The way I see it, if they were classy enough to be handing out free goodies (DLC or whatever) by way of apologizing for this debacle, then they wouldn't be the kind of company to allow it to happen in the first place.

Consider how quickly the first patch was released after launch, though those patches take time to be certified by Microsoft. There's no way they didn't see this coming before launch.

Absolutely not true in the slightest way. This game is bugged beyond what should be acceptable, and it is nobody's fault but the developer and the publisher.

I actually did see a lot of "game breaking" bugs, and really didn't bother me, I know people experience frequent crashes which only happened every once in a while (got something to do with sneaking, accessing inventory, and fast-traveling in a cell that is already loaded" , I got the key thing for NV, so I just killed the securatron, I had a bug that wouldn't allow me to save, I reloaded an earlier save, that weird thing where you companions diapered, didn't fast travel until I told them to follow me. ED-E's quest wouldn't trigger, really didn't care. and the corrupted saves, I just got to play over. So I have experienced almost all of the "game breaking" bugs, but I fixed them within minutes. And also a few bugs I got a laugh out of, really most people are making the bugs bigger than they are, like when the patch got released for PC and there was an error that some creatures could not die, they just basically said [censored] bethesda, and an hour later another patch was released that fixed this, so really just wait for the next patch tons of games have hundreds of bugs, but most of them get fixed with patches.

and not everyone experiences these bugs, if it were more bethesda's fault it would be affecting everyone. So it would be mainly the users fault, or a mess up on the disk. And so what if they saw this a week or two before the launch, I would rather have my game now with bugs than later and without.

All my friends that I know locally have had more of these bugs than not, with the exception of my sister. She lives in the boonies though and never installed the DLC or the patch due to lack of High Speed internet. She's having fun, devoid of savegame corruption and bugs (besides the critters stuck in the rocks and ect) My guess is while trying to fix issues they actually messed things up worse.. but, YMMV.

To get this thread back on topic...

Though it would be nice for early adopters to get something discounted or free, it's not going to happen. I've mentioned this before, the only thing they did wrong was rushed out an unfinished product, and some early adopters experienced problems. If you have a friend with an iPhone who bought it on day one, and a friend with an iPhone who bought it 3 months later, both will no doubt have two different recollections of their first experience with the product. No I'm not making excuses, the game shouldn't have come out broken, all that stuff, but you know what? It's very likely that many people who get this as a Christmas present (or purchase it with money/gift cards they get for Christmas) will not have to deal with this due to the next patch coming out, and they won't even notice any issues, they'll just say "what an amazing game!"

Just remember, you paid $60 for a working game. That's ALL the developers owe you (and they're working on making good on that). After that, they don't owe you anything, and as a good-will gesture? Why? You'll buy the next one... you can all spout off about how you won't, but you will. Maybe you'll learn your lesson about pre-ordering before reading reviews and doing your research, but I doubt it. It reminds me of people who claimed they were going to boycott gas companies because of high prices. Strange how well the gas companies are still doing, huh? That's because either no one boycotted, or any business this successful can stand to lose less than 1% of their customer base (they sold something like 4 million copies, so if 10,000 people boycott the next game, they'll still sell 3,990,000 copies. Oh no! Guess the top brass will have to wait a week before buying new Bentleys).

Precisely how would it be the users fault?, we are not playing a PC game where it is possible to go into the game folder and delete important files, unless you believe everyone who is experiencing these bugs puts the disc in the drive the wrong way up or stores their games in a bucket of sand?.

I agree with the OP's comment, the devs/publishers should show some sort appolgey in the form of DLC or whatever

by users fault, I mean it is mainly independent to certain games.

that doesnt make a bit of sense..im sorry but really it doesnt..i could understand if one person had a certain problem but numerous ppl having all the same problems even three or four ppl having the same problem? thats an issue with the game itself..

I know it is possible to provide something free, and in turn promote their product. Making it a win/win situation. How about a Xbox360 theme?

Totally agree. I took the game back within 3 days after many bugs and wasted hours due to corrupted saves. This has been a monumental stuff up by the makers. Unbelievable that they shipped such a dodgy product.

Free DLC would go some of the way to rehabilitating their reputation. At the very least, the first expansion DLC should be free to all as compensation

Simmons001

We're never going to get something for free, so there's no point in discussing what we should get. Personally, I think it's a little self-important to feel like we are owed something extra.

When Red Dead Redemption had some issues on release (PS3 exclusive content was buggy) they eventually gave some free in-game outfits away to everyone who bought the game. I'm sure they were planning on releasing them eventually anyway but it was a nice gesture.

I have no idea if Bethesda will do something similar, or not, but it would probably be a wise decision.

You're hopped up on goofers, right?

Ok smart guy, fix my problem for me. My game freezes within the first 5 minutes of loading. Regardless of where I am or what I am doing. I try to do as little as possible, no fast traveling, no accessing inventory, etc. It just freezes when I am running around the wasteland. I have to hard reboot just to have it all happen over and over again. I've cleared the cache, downloaded NV to my HDD and loaded from previous saves. Now what? My game is collecting dust because I can't play it!! What a waste of $60+!!!

You should be locked in a padded cell for this comment.

I shouldnt have to work around game breaking bugs, no one should.

Anywyas, to the OP, i agree. Just something simple like some unique item, a theme, avatar item. anything. I havent played NV for about 2 weeks due to my game breaking bug.

Thank god i still had FO3 to fall back on, oh and a new game of Oblivion.

When a thread descends into bickering, it gets locked. When we can have a discussion without resorting to name-calling and personal attacks, it doesn't get locked.