I'm on the verge of just returning my copy :/ my faith in bethesda has waned time and again and this is ABSOLUTELY terrible. Kinect?....really....your adding kinect instead of working on bugs? From a different team you say, we have a bug team working on them while another team does kinect you say? Um....put them all together? In fact, talk to your mod community, their unnofficial patches apparently rock? I wouldnt know, I'm on 360.

Sheesh. My point is, painting leaves on a dead tree doesnt make it alive. Skyrim COULD have been a great game, its almost there everytime but just falls short by inches. Maybe not even inches. poor ps3 players are getting ganked with every patch. Who in their right mind would have thought this was acceptable a generation ago? Its a big world, yes? I get that, having a few bugs, even a couple game breaking bugs, i can forgive that. Have you been on the bug forums? The list is HUGE and I highly doubt it will ever get cleaned up. It's 1.5, fallout 3 had five patches yes? Mostly DLC patches, right? I may be wrong on that, but thats to my understanding. The point is that they released a game that has had to have four patches before ps3 players had a hope of playing it, which it's still almost impossible for many of them. Why do we support a company like that?

Look at the flame that went torward bioware and EA for ME3? That was just because of an ending, and I doubt many of you would argue that the endings of the MQ and guild questlines were golden. Atleast not in my eyes. Its a different kind of game so honestly that doesnt bother me, what does bother me is that were ok enough with a broken game to continue support. I really dont want to, i really want to make myself like this game and mentally turn it into something above and beyond what it is, but that isnt why I play games. I want to be challenged, which i am in skyrim, but i also want to play to get away. Not to get infuriated by bugs, fear that its going to break my 360 *i know it most likely wont...but thats the amount of faith i have for beth software now*, and have to mentally make everything make sense. I havent had to do that since my DnD days. I love DnD, but I play DnD for the DnD experience, i do not play skyrim for the same reasons. Lets not even get started on the balancing issues that force me to choose challenge or fun. Idk. May 1st. I want to hear if the dlc will come with a patch to fix problems. Having the ui and sorting in the kinect patch is nice, but lets fix the bugs first. May 1st, past that, if its not atleast looking like they want to talk with us and seriouslly work on fixing bugs instead of throwing pretty ribbon at us, hopeing we'll ignore the issues, I'm done. The Consumer relations has faultered horribly. My ranting is done.

Oh, and here is the link to the bug compilation thread, keep in mind this is the 360 page so it might be worse or better on pc and ps3: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1339340-xbox-360-bug-report-topic-v3/

Speaking as a PS3 player, I do feel we got the shaft with our version and I will never again buy an ES game on day one.

The fact that they are addressing the issues through patches is a mild comfort, and at least they are doing something about it. They could just as easily not bother, but they know that would be a worse PR outcome than what it is currently.

I can give them leeway based on them releasing patches and fixing what they can, but I won't forget.

The patches are nice, but have you noticed how much effort is going torwards new material instead of bugs? New killcams, kinect, patch to make kinect work, new ui and sort for containers. Thats all nice but its fluff.

I have been playing (almost daily) on PS3 since 11/12/11 and have had little to no problems. I guess I am a lucky one. Or I have different expectations. Or I am easier to please. I don't know. I am sorry some have had such problems.

Your a very lucky one :/ one of the posts i read on the ps3 forum had several people saying they were freezing every five minutes, i dont doubt it, after 1.5 my game has been freezing every forty minutes.

^ agreed, it's all well and good but I would like to enjoy a toon for more then 100hr. It seems that once you reach the 100hr mark on console the game starts to get tooOOooo buggy to play and it's caused by bugs that have been present since day one but they choose to ignore said problems I got more then 1000hr clocked in on my main toon in Oblivion and would like it to be the same for Skyrim, but I think that won't happen until the GOTY come out.

I play on 360 and have been forced to save before and after going through a door(load screen) so as to counter the crashes that happen on a regular basis when passing through that door(load screen)

its becvause they have multiple teams, bethesda cant merely send everyone who doesnt bug fix home because your unhappy with ps3's terrible port.

the kinect features were added in a week by an employee who did the game jam, they just grabbed a small team to bug test it and add more features, the kill cams were already created. Its just being simply done first. one could argue the fact that some bug fixes hasnt come out yet is because they are working on them harder

It isn't all just new content that they are pulling out of their *butts*. I can say from spending hundreds of hours in the CK already that a LOT of content got cut. I mean a LOOOOOT. Building houses, an arena, guild quest chains. A huge amount of things got cut. They are simply filling in the blanks and getting the content that was cut back into the game. You know, they could also be dikes and charge money for all this new content. But they aren't.

Some people just never seem pleased. If they patch it then there is no new content. If they add content then there are no patches. If they release a big patch then people wanted it earlier. If they release a small patch then people wish they had done more with it.

Seriously people. They are doing what they cant. Enjoy it. They could just not patch the game, and charge 10$ for each new content update like some companies out there. (*AHEEM*, EA *AHEEEEM*)

This is the crap i'm talking about. THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER been acceptable only a generation ago. A few doors? yeah maybe. Every door? ridiculous.

Oh, I notice and I'm not in disagreement with you. I said a long time ago when everyone was worrying about DLC that they need to worry about fixing the base game first before worrying about DLC.

Maybe Bethesda likes to spend resources on making patches for games instead of moving on to new things. They're only creating more work for themselves using this strategy. Maybe it's a form of "job security"?

I too play on PS3, and am pretty much utterly dissappointed in Bethesda. My game is not freezing and I only get the 3FPS performance on the rare occasion now. However there are plenty of places on the map that my FPS stutters and struggles to stay in the upper teens.

So yeah, I can play reasonably well since 1.4, but I will never forget the 4 month wait.

I will also not forget that post 1.5 water freezing bug - exclusive content for PS3 I guess.

I will now never forget they considered it more important to include broken kill cams and a useless kinect feature before fixing simple [censored] like weapon drops on death and nirnroot stacking.

Perhaps its because TES is my favorite game franchise, but I have never been so dissappointed in a release.

And the fallout from the release has been damn near complete silence. No apologies, sparse interaction with the community and then we have the Beth figurehead Todd Howard telling us the whole thing was exaggerated.

Won't be getting any more of my money unless there are clear and obvious changes in the priorities of this company.

Thats my problem. Put them together and work on bugs, not add new content that is going to add new bugs for the bug team to work on.

Which is why I don't buy EA games, had I known that Skyrim was going to have this many problems on console then I would have waited for the GOTY edition, but I didn't and now I have gotten my $70 worth out of the game(bugged or not) but that dose not mean that I'm not entitled to have a game that works properly, and as far as giving us stuff that was in the game for free, I think they should. Just because they had to save time for 11.11.11 by removing stuff that they originally intended to be in the game is no reason to charge us for it, that's like saying that you didn't get pickle on your big mac and when you ask for a pickle to put on your burger they charge you for it, no that pickle was meant to be on that burger there for you should not be charge for said pickle. I think by them giving us free stuff that WAS in the game to begin with is there way of saying sorry for all the problems the game has had so far.( I hope it is anyway).

I pre-ordered this game. whoever bought this game and I have a right to complain just like anybody who votes for a president and gets screwed.

sorry, wasnt done ranting. ALSO if they didnt patch it they would lose fan base, they already have. Will it be enough to hurt them? Idk, point is is that we keep them afloat. I gave them 60 dollars for a broken product. Would you take a vacuum back to the store if it didnt work when you got it home? If it was an expensive one you would be more inclined to.

You would think that, but they have no requirement to do that. You know the map packs for Cod? Those aren't brand new maps. Their maps that didn't make the cut and got retailored, then sold to people for outragous prices. Shouldn't those be free then too? I certainly agree so. You guys seem to get made at those who do it wrong, while giving those who do it right no credit. Yes Bethesda is giving us the stuff that they should be, so celebrate that. They are one of the few doing right, so yaaay! Let's hope they keep it up.
You certainly do. I am just voicing my opinion in opposition to yours. That's all.

Interesting. I'm on the 360 as well and I've only crashed once when I was on the way to High Hrothgar from Whiterun. I was expecting it to be much worse after dealing with New Vegas where it would crash AND corrupt your autosave at the same time. If you didn't save in that game like you said, you'd be totally screwed.

Cod is a joke anyways...but thats my opinion. We are celebrating it by continueing to buy/play, my problem is that i dont care about the new stuff right now. I dont care at all, what i do care about is that vanilla is trashed right now and half the patch, sometimes more, is devoted to new things breaking the system more which strains the bug team that much more and puts more on their plate that will never get fixed.

Eh, there were reports from 360 players of freezing in the water as well.

I bought the CE on day one. And to top it off, I even went through a difficult time getting my copy at all because of a SNAFU with GameStop. That isn't Bethesda's fault, but my point being is I was hyped up for this game, had trouble getting it and then when I do get it, it's broken.

People have the right to lodge their grievances against a company if those grievances are legitimate. Complaining that there are no toilets in Skyrim is not a legitimate grievance. Complaining that your game is broken when you bought it in good faith expecting a working product, is a legitimate grievance.

world designers, cant fix bugs, animations designers, can't fix bugs, writers can't fix bugs.....

i think your point is moot

the game works fine.... at launch, i put it in my xbox, played it for hours and hours, guess what.. it still works

Congratulations! You want a medal? As if YOUR experience is enough to negate ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD PROBLEMS.

Please.

more people to think of ideas ^^ then send them home, idc, what i want is effort torwards fixing the vanilla, not saying "guess what, now you can literally shout your shouts!"...which will probably introduce new bugs also, btw.

Complete agreement. I'm happy your copy works, for alot of people it does not.

Don't forget to delete your profile here when you return your copy.