I just acquired the Jagged Crown and my question is, can I use this to further my own... political agenda?

I mean, for roleplay sake, could I use this as a base to establish power?

If I announced, out of the dark, that I, Phesius Papillon have acquired the Jagged Crown, would that be a substantial power base?

Would I need more influence? Or would I just need to present the crown and be welcomed as a figure to rally around?

I ask you roleplayers.

What would you do?

From a gameplay perpective.....it means nothing.

From an RP perpective, I dont think it's enough, I think you need to have your own hold before you could be come high-king from just having the crown.

Gameplay wise, it is "worth" 5000 gold. And gives me +17 armor. I am level 3 by the way. So for you it prolly isn't worth anything.

But its significance cannot be denied in the lore.

So I would need a city? If a jarl came forth and claimed to have the crown, that would be enough to rally people?

All the Jagged Crown does is represent a point of authority and people recongnize that. Just as a king may have a Scepter to show his power, the Jarl who has the Jagged Crown is recognized as the High King by many people. But just because a commoner has a Scepter doesn't make him king. You have to be at least be in some form of royalty.

not quite.

you either would have to be some form of royalty or have the ability to back up your claim by force if need be.

Exsactly, the High-King is chosen from the Jarls, by the Jarls.....the Jaggered Crown commands repects and the Jarl holding it would be nominated.

It would be very silly is any old person got their hands on an artifact and instantly became King.

This makes me want the CK to come out SO BAD. Anyways, If I were a Thane, could I utilize the crown to overthrow a Jarl? Would the people rally behind me or the current Jarl?

I understand the anology now. It makes sense. Not just anyone, of any walk of life, can have it and just magically be king.

But if a Thane were to present the crown, would that be influence enough to take a Jarl's position?

Whether it requires force or not, would it be possible?

No, it would require force. As I understand it, the title of Jarl is the same as king, it is passed down through family....so the only way a Thane could become Jarl is if the Jarl adpoted them as a son/daughter and made them heir.

Realistically, a Thane would just give the artifact to the Jarl as that is their duty.

So as I understand it. The moment the thane announces they have the crown and have yet to deliver it the their respective Jarl, they are branded an enemy? Makes sense, if I was Jarl I would do the same.

So I see it as a base to rally people who are discontent with the current leadership. At least it is something right?

Better than some bandit who is trying to create an army, with no real ways of maintaining order.

I suppose if you were a Thane with the crown, you could rally the people behind you and take a Hold of your own before then declaring yourself high-king......but in a way, thats what the Stormcloaks are doing.....Im pretty sure such forceful methods would make the other Jarls resist you.

Talk about severely outnumbered. So I suppose it would require siding with one side or the other.

I wear the crown therefore i'm queen of all of Skyrim

Umm, I gave it to the Jarl of Windhelm. Can I get it back? Or pickpocket him or something?

That is what I thought when I dawned the crown!

Minus the queen part, I am a man.

I was just kidding... you don't have the title if you wear a fetched crown

Ps i'm a dude too, but my char isn't.

Hehe. Sorry. I uhhh, don't really play females too often.

My char isn't interested in men

Ps sorry for what?

Sorry for nothing. I now understand completely and support such ventures!

I don't think it's possible. I've the other problem. My quest bugged on me, couldn't give the crown to anyone and the civil war won't progress. I had to use the console to manually advance. The jagged crown is aesthetically nice but, as armor, it svcks because it leaves the neck exposed!

Force isn't an issue. Me vs the entire Imperial and Stormcloak 'armies'? They'd better call for reinforcements. Lots of them.

On the other hand, it's just a hat. Just wearing it won't make me king, any more than pulling a sword out of a stone will.

You're supposed to put it under your armor and use it as a rooster necklace... or so I've heard...

Roleplaying implies an "alignment" of sorts for a characters' actions , so I approach it that way.

Good - A "good" character wouldn't steal , which is what that would be doing.At the least you would be disrupting an entire community , even if you view the current Jarl as a moron.You aren't "the next in line" and would respect that tradition for the passing of leadership , remember , you just got here.So mostly your big chance at a kingship wouldn't rest with just an old crown , it would have to be something much more important and significan of an act to justify you becoming a leader over so many others known in this land.

Nuetral - You're the "whatever it takes" kinda guy , but you have your limits and honor.Plus , you're not exactly stupid either.IMO this character would be best suited for a thief type that didn't view becoming king as something permanent.Instead you would be using it as a temporary tool to gain access to riches. But these riches come at the expense of making enemies with strong connections.You'll bide your time and keep that crown waiting for your opportunity to make the most use of it.You know something you stole could and most likely will be stolen again....

Evil - You don't care about anything all the way to you serve your dark lord to make everybody else around you kneel to your domination and woe to those who hesitate for you have no mercy.Yu will rule with an iron hand and have no compulsions to spare entire family lines or not.This would be a style suited for somebody who doesn't care if they converse with the living or the dead, it's all the same to you.But in the end long-term rule becomes secondary to dominating and ultimatley ruining everything around you for personal and diety gain.This guy somehwere off in the future becomes the next figure to be burned in effigy at the bard's college , if it survives with enough people to do so.

All opinions but just suggested approaches towards what you're trying to accomplish with your RP.Any one of these I would wait until the next DLC or a really good fan mod if you're on PC that culd make this a reality with whatever path you've chosen.For me this meant 2 extra characters that possess the crown and other items and I simply never play them right now in hopes of finishing the stories with other content.