Tim Schafer and Notch.

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2012/02/16/microsofts-40000-per-xbox-patch-explains-why-updates-are-slow-to-roll-out/

Microsoft does have a rather long and extensive patch testing process.

I've not had any trouble with the vampire attacks since I stopped spawning inside the city walls.

If I intend to fast travel to a city, closest I'll drop myself is the stables and even then, I refuse to enter it until atleast 9am.

Even if the vamps spawn, I've found they are very easily killed off mid-day.

Just fight in your element not theirs.

Too much work to enjoy a game. Flawed feature is extremely flawed.

I guess I'm the idiot.

I quoted you on the edited version of the OP, so all newcomers to this thread can see this. I hope you dont mind

This.

O please, man up. The guy you quoted is giving you a way to still enjoy dawnguard while not breaking your gaming experience. By you thinking that's to much work and therefore won't do it, you become your own worst enemy, because it wouldn't be the vampires ruining your gaming experience but yourself.

If you want to combat vampire attacks while keeping a game with minimum NPC lost, all you have to do is play smart and use tactics (which you should do anyways).

No problem.

I'll be making similar topics across other forums to highlight the issue (Really, nearly all already do). This is generating major uproar.

One forum I go to has Xbox users telling PS3 users the deal and many, who knows if they're BSing, stating they won't buy Dawnguard knowing what awaits them. It seems that the more complain and make statements like that will compel Bethesda to remove this.

Why the hell would Bethesda select beta testers and then not listen to them when they brought this to their attention? I guess they wanted the negative publicity.

Yeah. Consoles, particularly microsoft, need to make sure their digital content is air tight and doesn't cause damage to the player's system or totally destroy the game. It's a formality mostly, but a necessary one just in case

Maybe they want their very own "Retake Skyrim" thing.

So you're telling me it's my fault for not going through extra hassle to enjoy my game to circumvent an extremely flawed near game breaking feature?

Hey, even Bioware had to eat it and fix their colossal **** up regardless how proud they were about their "artistic integrity".

According to two beta testers, Uriel Nocturne and Mr. Straw Man (Drake something or the other), the beta testers LOVED this idea and saw NOTHING wrong with it.

I remember a thread in the Skyrim General forums decrying the beta testers for most likely not beta testing...well...guess we know what they were REALLY doing...


I haven't gone through the ME3 "Extended Cut" yet, so we have to see how true the "fixing" went...

He's saying it's not worth it for a flawed mechanic. If you can deal with it then more power to ya.

Uriel's double-talking you. Didn't he say they thought it was a bug at first? I know the other testers did. Regardless, I hate to sound mean but dont listen to him. Look at how bad his arguments got in the last few pages of the last thread.

They were clearly unfit and lacking intelligence. This is the very definition of incompetence.

Damn, and I was so excited about Dawnguard.

I'm another one who won't be buying it.

Posts like this is what need to be brought to Bethesda's attention. This isn't the only one on this forum or others I go to.

This whole ordeal is looking like a blunder of epic proportions on Bethesda's behalf.

Or maybe they just play games differently then you do, maybe they are people who use tactics to comabt vampires, like not always fast traveling into cities/towns, exspecialy when its night time after the fast traveling, perhaps they are players who like a challenge. Just because they have a different opinion then you does NOT mean they are stupid or not as intellgient as you.

I don't care if you disagree with them, but calling them lacking in intelligence is over the line.

At least not until they patch it. IF they patch it.

You are correct. I apologize.

But I will not apologize for calling them incompetent. The point of testing is to see how things will go as a result of a bug or feature. It is also a part of the job to look at things in different perspectives than their own. They did not do this. Clearly.

I have traveled to places outside of towns. I then walked in during full day light. Vampires still attacked. It took several reloads before I managed to kill them without any NPC losses. Tactics and smarts had nothing to do with it. I can only hit one enemy at a time. Other reloads saw me hitting guards in the scrum, setting off that whole tangent. It became a matter of luck as to which reloaded fight would work out the right way. To many people, that's unacceptable. It is for me. Walking into town to sell something to a merchant, or speak to a NPC for a quest and finding them dead is a poor decision on Beth's part.

At least by ignoring the main quest, dragons don't become a factor. The downside is not having souls for shouts. But thats okay, because not all of our characters are set up for the MQ and shouts. So there's a balance for sacrifice. That doesn't happen here. What's the point of vampire attacks in towns? Immersion to simulate a "vampire menace"? All it's doing is potentially ruining quests and characters that I want in the game. I really like the DLC otherwise, but I'm considering uninstalling it.

Well, if they used these tactics why do they not tell them to us? I know I've asked for assistance in this thread (and the original thread on this topic) and in my own How To Prepare For Random Vampire Attacks thread, and received barely any feedback on any of them. On a side note there is a rather amusing quote from the original thread that I will need to see if I can quote.

Originally said by REL_Dovahkin:


This is a link to the original thread on this topic:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1387945-vampire-attacks-really/

Okay, so I've been doing a no "Reload if something goes wrong" save. And so far, Both Riverwood and Whiterun are devoid off all non essential NPC's. Do take note, that these two towns are the only ones I've fast traveled to during my play through. I'm currently on 16 hours.