I was just going through a cave with Aela in sneak mode when all of a sudden she whipped out a torch. I don't remember her doing that before and I was wondering if anyone had a script to stop that behavior. If not is it even possible? I know you can test if a npc is sneaking, just not sure how to do the rest. Thanks

FYI The title should of been "follower" not "npc" but same difference I guess.

i would go for http://www.creationkit.com/IsSneaking_-_Actor
remove all torches, or use http://www.creationkit.com/UnequipItem_-_Actor

not sure how to put the script on all followers automatically tough...

Something like...

Bool bDisallowTorchLight Property Torch01 AutoLight Property Torch01Shadow AutoEvent OnUpdate()	If bDisallowTorch != IsSneaking()		bDisallowTorch = !bDisallowTorch		If bDisallowTorch			UnequipItem(Torch01, True)			UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, True)		Else			UnequipItem(Torch01, False)			UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, False)		EndIf	EndIfEndEvent

...should work.

Thank you, I'll stick it in there and let you know if I notice the behavior any more.

*UPDATE* Won't compile.
*UPDATE* Never mind, I added the scriptname at the top and now it's compiling. I'm a newb.

I hope you make this a standalone addition. I would love my follower to do this.

I happened to be saved at a part where she was holding a torch. I went into sneak and she continued to hold the torch. I attached the script to aela was that not correct? I went through a door to trigger a transition but it didn't change anything.

I'm trying to figure out what could be wrong but have extremely limited knowledge with papyrus. Looking at all the available events however, I wonder if OnUpdate is correct as it appears that OnUpdate is really for magic items? "Received at periodic intervals, if the magic effect is registered."

Well going over this thing OnLoad would be the best event to use but since it's tied to magical items I just don't know. The only other thing I see is OnObjectEquipped but that would just trigger after the npc whipped out the torch.

After looking at all available events, I no longer believe this is possible. If there was an OnSneak event or they added sneak to the OnCombatStateChange event, then it would be possible. Please someone prove me wrong.

Is there maybe a way to do this with SKSE? I'm trying to find a list of functions/events that SKSE adds but all they have on their website is a link to the install files.

I have since found the list in their threads and have requested a new event since I don't think there is a built in event that will help us here.

I imagine that Justin's example script was designed to be used in conjunction with a http://www.creationkit.com/RegisterForUpdate_-_Form call--because there is no OnBeginSneak-type of event, the basic method would be to check every 20 seconds or so if the actor is sneaking, and if they are then unequip any torch they might have equipped.

You could also use http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1354316-conditions-in-papyrus/ to simulate OnBeginSneak/OnEndSneak events.

I had found RegisterForUpdate but that didn't seem to be the best of ideas because it would have to run constantly wouldn't it? Having it run every, say 10 seconds, wouldn't that drain memory or not so much?

I just tried it using RegisterForUpdate and it was running every 10 seconds because I put a notification in there, but she wasn't unequipping the torch...

What is happening is, she unequips then instantly re-equips.. i'm trying to figure it out.

I have had to actually remove torches from an actor's inventory when I wanted to prevent them being equipped--as http://www.creationkit.com/UnequipItem_-_Actor notes, the "prevent re-equipping" flag doesn't seem to work.

Registering for updates every 10 seconds, for a quick script like this, wouldn't cause any problems. People working on combat mods are registering for updates every 0.1 second, or less.

Well, the script works to a point. It will unequip and reequip as it should, however there is some overriding behavior that causes the npc to instantly reequip the torch. If I knew anything about papyrus scripting i'd probably know what the issue is, but I don't. Here is the script as it stands now for testing.

Scriptname ActorDisallowTorchWhileSneaking extends ActorBool bDisallowTorchLight Property Torch01 AutoLight Property Torch01Shadow AutoEvent OnInit()    RegisterForUpdate(10)EndEventEvent OnUpdate()	    If bDisallowTorch != IsSneaking()			    bDisallowTorch = !bDisallowTorch			    If bDisallowTorch					    UnequipItem(Torch01, True)					    UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, True)					    Debug.Notification("Unequip")			    Else					    UnequipItem(Torch01, False)					    UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, False)					    Debug.Notification("Equip")			    EndIf	    EndIfEndEvent

Then I would have to remove the item from their inventory then give it back when I wasn't sneaking?

Exactly.

Ok thanks guys. It appears to be working now but I will post if I run into any bugs.

Working script below:

Scriptname ActorDisallowTorchWhileSneaking extends ActorBool bDisallowTorchLight Property Torch01 AutoLight Property Torch01Shadow AutoEvent OnInit()	RegisterForUpdate(10)EndEventEvent OnUpdate()		If bDisallowTorch != IsSneaking()				bDisallowTorch = !bDisallowTorch				If bDisallowTorch						UnequipItem(Torch01, True)						UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, True)						RemoveItem(Torch01)				Else						UnequipItem(Torch01, False)						UnequipItem(Torch01Shadow, False)						AddItem(Torch01)				EndIf		EndIfEndEvent

Don't really know if I still need to unequips in there?

You should upload that to the steam workshop and/or nexus, I'm sure loads of people would download this tweak.

- Hypno

Probably not. Would be 'cheaper' and less conflict proned to do it all with a follower alias.

ScriptName FollowerAliasDisallowTorchWhileSneaking extends ReferenceAliasBool bDisallowTorchInt iTorchCountFormList Property TorchFLST Auto ; Torch01Shadow & Torch01ObjectReference Property TorchContainerREF AutoEvent OnObjectEquipped(Form akBaseObject, ObjectReference akReference)	If TorchFLST.HasForm(akBaseObject)		RegisterForSingleUpdate(0.01)	EndIfEndEventEvent OnUpdate()	If bDisallowTorch != GetActorReference().IsSneaking()		bDisallowTorch = !bDisallowTorch		If bDisallowTorch			iTorchCount = GetActorReference().GetItemCount(TorchFLST)			GetActorReference().RemoveItem(TorchFLST, iTorchCount, True, TorchContainerREF)			RegisterForUpdate(3)		Else			TorchContainerREF.RemoveItem(TorchFLST, iTorchCount, True, GetActorReference())			UnregisterForUpdate()		EndIf	EndIfEndEventEvent OnItemAdded(Form akBaseItem, Int aiItemCount, ObjectReference akItemReference, ObjectReference akSourceContainer)	If bDisallowTorch		If TorchFLST.HasForm(akBaseObject)			GetActorReference().RemoveItem(akBaseObject, aiItemCount, True, TorchContainerREF)			iTorchCount += aiItemCount		EndIf	EndIfEndEvent

That could be glued to multiple aliases all using the same TorchContainerREF and leave the base forms untouched.

@JustinOther I will try your script as well. I had just come back to get the names of those who helped because I believe this script is going to be released in a Follower AI mod that is in beta right now. If your script works, I will add you to the list of those getting credit.

I haven't messed with aliases before so I'm trying to take a crash course so I can test your script but I am confused. What I am reading makes me think that aliases are used in association to quests, but this is a behavior I always want the follower to exhibit. I'm assuming that is very possible and I am just not understanding how to apply the script. I figured there was a way to assign an alias to, for instance, the follower faction, but I don't see how. Any help is appreciated.

Followers are controlled through aliases in a quest. The vanilla follower system uses the Follower alias in the DialogueFollower quest. Simply attach the script provided by JustinOther to that alias and it will work.

The problem is if someone uses a custom follower or uses a custom follower system provided by a mod. Then you would have to edit those mods and apply the script to the aliases used in those mods.

I had found DialogueFollower quest and wondering if that was where it needed to go.

As for compatibility, I'm just going to pass the script on and let the mod author worry about that stuff.

Thanks, I will try to get the new version working....

Haven't been able to get it to compile yet...

ScriptName FollowerAliasDisallowTorchWhileSneaking extends ReferenceAliasBool bDisallowTorchInt iTorchCountFormList Property TorchFLST AutoFormList Property Torch01Shadow AutoFormList Property Torch01 AutoObjectReference Property TorchContainerREF AutoEvent OnObjectEquipped(Form akBaseObject, ObjectReference akReference)		If TorchFLST.HasForm(akBaseObject)				RegisterForSingleUpdate(0.01)		EndIfEndEventEvent OnUpdate()		If bDisallowTorch != GetActorReference().IsSneaking()				bDisallowTorch = !bDisallowTorch				If bDisallowTorch						iTorchCount = GetActorReference().GetItemCount(TorchFLST)						GetActorReference().RemoveItem(TorchFLST, iTorchCount, True, TorchContainerREF)						RegisterForUpdate(3)				Else						TorchContainerREF.RemoveItem(TorchFLST, iTorchCount, True, GetActorReference())						UnregisterForUpdate()				EndIf		EndIfEndEventEvent OnItemAdded(Form akBaseItem, Int aiItemCount, ObjectReference akItemReference, ObjectReference akSourceContainer)		If bDisallowTorch				If TorchFLST.HasForm(akBaseObject)						GetActorReference().RemoveItem(akBaseObject, aiItemCount, True, TorchContainerREF)						iTorchCount += aiItemCount				EndIf		EndIfEndEvent

Anyone see a problem? I'm a noob.

It says akBaseObject is undefined, but it looks defined to me.

Never mind, I found it myself. The problem was he had used "akBaseObject" instead of "akItemObject" in the OnItemAdded event. Thanks.

What value do you give to TorchContainerREF and TorchFLST? Do I have to create something to assign to those pointers?

akBaseObject: Wups, it's supposed to be akBaseItem. Yeah, the properties are gonna need to be pointed at what they represent, so you'd place a container somewhere and assign it the EditorID 'TorchContainerREF' and make a FormList named TorchFLST. Then, when you hit the autofill button, the properties will automatically be pointed at the appropriate REFR/FLST.

Fixed code with indentation restored:^That compiles


Aliases: Your quest could have a bunch of ReferenceAlias slots with that script to be filled dynamically with http://www.creationkit.com/ForceRefIfEmpty_-_ReferenceAlias, I believe. Haven't yet messed with on-the-fly alias filling, but I'd imagine it works as advertized.