I am even more disapointed than before. Its been almost 9 hours since retail release and I have not seen 1 public statement from ID or Bethesda about the issues we are almost ALL having. I see random comments about things that have nothing to do with the bugs and poorly implimented textures, which tells me that both companies HAVE to know about everyones disapointment, yet they cant even send us a "We are very sorry about the current state of the game and assure you we are hard at work trying to fix it" NOT EVEN THAT?????

"This is from another thread but as said deserves repeating"

I'll repeat this since it deserves repeating:

Name one other place you could pay for something and be delivered and unusable product and find that acceptable?

-Lemon laws were made to prevent that from being done with cars (yeah, its illegal)
-What about a sandwich that was completely rotten and inedible?
-What about a computer that didn't even turn on?

We as consumers were promised a functional game, we were not asked to be QA or beta testers, instead a large portion of the community was delivered a game that either didn't run at all, barely ran, or at best didn't run according to what was promised at the time of purchase.

As a consumer we have every right, expectation, and responsibility to speak up when we have been delivered a faulty bill of goods.

Delivering a half-finished product should not be the norm and the stunt pulled by id/Beth is absolutely no exception. $60 is the price for a fully finished game, if they plan to deliver half-finished, bug-ridden or faulty games, they should make that known ahead of time and charge far less, or at the very least offer a partial refund, much like a restaurant would do if a diner's meal was not served to satisfaction.

Demanding fair trade in return for payment is more than fair and those coming in here to put those down and claim otherwise are both wrong and foolish.

uh... wut.... game runs fine for me... on pc.... 'just sayin. And the texture concerns? nothing a patch wont fix..snip

'bout tired of these whiny punks "WAHHHH, it doesnt run, waaaaah, fix it now, waaaaah"

Guarantee they are already well ahead of you with fixes... in the mean time, be constructive and try finding your own remedy.

Better yet, why not email id and bethesda your actual issue your experiencing instead of posting it somewhere they probably won't see it?

Yep, nine hours in which a release took place world wide and now they have the task of collecting data and information from the forum, the support site, emails, reviews, and all such places then go through the data and figure out what sort of problem and the extent and scope of it and figure what they can do and then give us a statement which must be honest.

I somehow don't think that is very long. Especially since when I went to bed...the game had not released and I just got up and found all of this...it is overwhelming me and I'm just a moderator...I can't imagine having to walk in their shoes today with all they must do at id and bethesda.

:slap: Stop with the flaming. Showing disrespect to members with concerns will net warnings and suspensions. So stop it before I get my grump on. :toughninja:

They're probably embarrassed and working on a patch dude, relax.

exactly..i guarantee if it was his game he couldnt play it would be a completely different story..

ppl have the right to complain all they want when they feel like theyve bought a lemon..just as much as youve got a right to complain about them complaining..

My apologies.. I can see you understand my frustration as well.

/me sets stealth back down and fixes his collar.

Is it really that bad. How is the ps3 version

Well people do have the right to complain as long as they don't "Rage" But really, it is much more helpful to document your problems and post them in appropriate threads in the H&S section in order to give developers a place to look for info and causes for the problems. When we are ranting we don't have time for being constructive and assisting not only id and Bethesda but other members with similar problems and ourselves.

I once ranted about a new car I bought (brand new and paid cash for it) and until I calmed down and put the tire iron down, they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. After three trips in prior to having about 400 miles on it by then...they finally fixed it. I was sure angry and I sure did have the right to rant and be angry...but...it didn't get the car fixed until I documented the problems, calmed down enough to explain the problems and gave them time and several trips to town to get it fixed. Having problems with something new is not limited to video games and my car deal made me ever more aware of the importance of patience and documentation. There is something about having $32,000 on the line that gets your attention. :lmao:

Can you link to the threads where people have only put "Waaahhh, it doesn't run, fix it now, waaah"? Cause I've maybe seen one or two posts like that, but most are people who want to play the game, but are having legitimate issues. I've tried everything under the sun to get this game to run and it just isn't. If anything it feels like the people attacking folks with issues are the ones who aren't being very constructive.

If it's working for you then awesome man. That's really great news. Unfortunately that's not the case for a lot of us. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. We're here posting our concerns so that iD can collect the data and resolve the issues. Are we supposed to not report issues?

Since I had intervened already, responding to that post will do nothing but continue with the flame/flamebait....please just respond to the OP or walk on by and don't further quote and continue what has already been addressed by a moderator.

I am sorry you can not play the game currently. I am on xbox and it is exxceellllent. I am sure they are working on the patch. I know in would be frustrated as well if I was in your shoes. Honestly I hate when companies do the whole "I'm sorry we messed up." because 90 percent of the time they are not sorry at all.

Also would like to comment in the maturity of the moderator. Bravo sir nobody likes a flame war :celebration:

I have posted a thread in the PC hardware section with all the slight tweaks I have used to make the game bearable, to try to help others, and honestly when it works enough to play for a half hour or so i really enjoy the game. I just dont understand by any means how ID could not have forseen this. Did they test this simply on an nvidia system with some random harware in it, it worked, no major bugs, and that was it? Its there job to be sure the game is compatible within the minimum system req's. I understand that many people have not had a problem playing on the PC, but i would venture to say that MOST of us have. This is a title that has been in development for 6 years and hyped like crazy. I just find the condition of the game at launch unacceptable. Maybe its Bethesda for not giving them time to polich the PC version and 'pushing' them to concentrate on console version for money reasons? I dont know any better than anyone else, but as I said its unacceptable. 60 dollars is a good chunk of change to shell out for a product that doesnt work.

Question: If somebody sold you a 50in HDTV and told you it was immaculate and ran like a stiped assed ape, and you brought it home only to find it had solid black lines running all over the screen along with dead pixels and no sound, would you not be unhappy? Would you not demand your money back or to have the thing immediately replaced?

It doesnt matter wether you spend 60 dollars, 1300 dollars, or 5 bucks. When your promised performance for a product and it doesnt deliver then you got the short end of the stick in that deal.

I may be complaining, but I have an irrefutably valid point.

I'm raging on ps3... no problems at all. what are you playing it on?

PC, the game is buggy on this platform, but right on for you, ive played about an hour and a half of it in between crashes and it seems fun, albeit very much like a Borderlands, Fallout, Bioshock melting pot. Its a welcome mix though

Aww man, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know anything about fixing computers or anything like that. The game runs on 60fps, right? maybe you just have to change some setting on your pc for this to work on it? failing that I dunno. new graphics card? more ram? I dunno if anything i said helps but I wish you luck.

-Uhlan

They are probably busy fixing the issues you are whining about on the forum, so they are sorry they cannot come to the forum right now... so have patience young one

@Uhlan - Thanks man, i appreciate your concern and good wishes. I am happy you are enjoying the game. If the PC version isnt fixed in a few days I will likey return the game for a console version. Lucky for me I know the people at my local gamestop

@D4C LOL young one, im 29 brother. Troll elsewhere. Im 'whining' or as advlts call it 'speaking out' or 'being heard' becuase I got a product that didnt work. You havent even recieved the game yet, your in the UK man, so why even bother here.

What exactly is wrong with the game? Its working fine on my 360. Only noticeable glitch that is bugging me is that the sound is occasionally off. I fired my shotgun and heard nothing for 3 seconds. Same thing happened with my pistol. It was weird. Other than that though, its working fine. Again, what exactly is wrong, and with what console?

Actually I had purchased Fallout 3 on release for PC and never had an issue with it. Not one crash that I can think of.

@james - NO no no no I am saying that when I do get to play for a period of time, the style, and gameplay, and such, remind me of a MIX of those 3 games, which I very much enjoy

@tantalus - Well apperently the severity and number of issues depends on your harware at the moment, but mostly screen tearing, muddy textures, model distortion, failure to load the game all together, and intermittent crashes in the middle of play. Sometimes 1 of these sometime all of these, just read around.

Try installing to HDD if you haven't done that yet.

ah, my bad