Well I just beat the game, my first playthrough, Very Hard hardcoe mode on PS3 and I never used vats, I also never used FPV and I must say the experience was amazing. As to the reason I had put such restrictions on my self was because I had just been playing Demon's Souls (one of the hardest real time combat rpgs ever made) which had no vats, and first person view was only available for bow sniping.

But I feel as thoughn i should have been rewarded for so much self controll. I don't see how adding the trophy/achievement for no vats would have been any different than the hardcoe achievement/trophy in place. Prehaps dlc in the future could add this.

What do you guys think?

Why should we be given a trophy for not using an optional feature? :confused:

What's FPV?


VATS is a core element of the game and it would be odd to reward someone for not using it. That doesn't mean that people are required to use VATS, it just seems odd to reward them for not using it.

I feel the opposite; there should be an achievement to kill 500(?) enemy in VATS.

Why? because now it is only good for quick draws.

I hate the whole achievement system on pc, but it works well on consoles... and no that would be stupid. It is like giving achievement from not using pip-boy.

First Person View (I assume)

@Lillu- I'd like to meet the player who pulls that off. :laugh:

But hardcoe mode is also optional and yet there is a reward for that. So I assume you're also against the hardcoe mode trophy/achievement? Personally i find vats to be, well too easy.

Considering it's one of the hyped up things during Pre-Release as one of the main features in the game, I'd be led to believe more people would be pissed they didnt complete such an advertised feature.

I agree with OP, VATS makes life easier and if you never use it you're challenging yourself. It's reasonable to expect an achievement for a no VATS play through.

I'm impressed you were able to pull that off with very hard. I'm on PC and I absolutely HATE aiming manually when I'm in a close quarters situation. Aiming just feels so clunky and inconsistent compared to other FPS's on the PC. Add that to the fact that my pc is fuggin ancient and I lag like crazy when there's 5hit going down, very hard in close quarters means certain death if you're up against a tough npc.

There should be an achievement for never firing a shot outside of VATS.

With sneak criticals and 100% accurate sniper rifles, it's not hard at all to play with no VATS ever.

there should be a "no healing during combat" option, which might actually make combat challenging it's the only way i can play, games a total cakewalk otherwise

No. not realy. when you complete the game on hardcoe you get the reward from doing something and reward from not using VATS would be reward from not doing something which would be kinda weird.

THANKS! It did take me 110 hours to reach lanius though. However I did explore the map 100% and finish all the side quests, so i guess that could have factored into the compleetion time too.

It's actually not that hard to play outside VATS, IMO. It's probably harder to conduct all your combat within VATS, however. Outside of VATS, a good player can land as many hits as they want. Within, however, you have limited AP, focused targets, etc.

Heh, I wish I can say the same. Movement + aiming in F3/FNV blows royally. My most preferred engine for movement/aim is the source engine. If F3/FNV had the same feel as source games, I'd be in heaven.

Vats is very useful and sometimes a neccesity for me in certain situations. When I'm ambushed by 3 or more, I go into vats to try and land headshots up close. Medium range, I use it for weapons without scopes sometimes. Long range sniping, never.I love vats though and the ability to make precision shots in a pinch.

Well, I'm at a high enough level that I can snipe most things before they can even see me, and then have my companions help clean up the leftovers. In close combat, I have strong enough weapons that it doesn't take more than a punch or two to kill things.

At lower levels though, I can see the frustration with the aiming though.

I think an achievement for a no-VATS playthrough would be Pure Comedy Gold, considering how near-overpowered VATS was in Fallout 3 compared to how neutered it is in New Vegas with FPS play so vastly improved. :shrug:

With hardcoe you get an achievement for using a feature, what you are requesting is an achievement for not using a feature. If an individual wants to skip VATS or fast travel to make the game harder I say more power to them but I don't see why Obsidian would want to reward people for not using a major game feature.

If you haven't noticed. It is actually easier to use free aim in this game then VATS. Why give a trophy for that? :shrug:

Yeah. I stick to FPS for the most part, but when I am in a bind and need to be sure I land killing shots, Ill pop open VATS. Other then that, it is just pip-boy memory space wasted. Where is my automatic popcorn dispensing program!

In FO3, sure. In NV, no way. If you dont sink perks into vats stuff its pretty bad.

i.e. Your aim is damn near perfect when not in vats, You could pretty much one shot people out of vats at long range with the sniper rifle all day long, but I cannot count the times ive gone into vats, and every bullet I fire misses.

if you only played one playthrough of NV and did it without vats, that would explain why you didnt realize how gimped it is in NV. keep in mind in this version mods can hit and hurt you in vats, so its somewhat difficult to see what, if any advantage it brings other than getting to see yourself kill something in slow motion.

Im still waiting on my hardcoe / very hard difficulty mode +1 for completing the game the first time.

Screw trophies. I want unlockable content.

There's plenty of that in the game- maybe your Lockpicking skill just isn't high enough?