afaik, they are died-hard on werewolf killing, i see no evil in this.

that's only 1 quest line i awared will be hostile toward them, which i didn't continue.

but still they appear hostile toward me.

I wish there's option at least become neutral with them.

i guess you could change faction if youre on pc, otherwise theyre going to be hostile.

I would like to have joined the vigilants of stendar(or however you spell it),




Or maybe a bandit gang...?

i wish there was a crusader guild, doin holy crap. the silver hand appears to sadistically and ritualistically murder and torture werewolves, and i think i've seen a khajit in one of their cages...maybe it was another race i haven't done the companions quest in a long time. Wish there was a better "warrior guild", instead of mercenary work ya know

Even if you're not on that questline, they're still hostile. I wandered into one of their forts and assumed they were just a named bandit gang involved in a town sidequest. I had no context on them because I did not play the questline they're involved in.

They're actually quite bad still and act like bandits as well as werewolf hunters.

Silver Hand. Is. Evil. Deal with it.

"Bad people who don't like werewolves"-Farkas.

Or maybe they just kill vampires and keep their dust? They use no vampire powers and they don't look like vampires either.

They don't just kill the werewolves; in their dungeons, there are corpses of the lycanthropes which are dismembered, and there are what look like humanoid bones around some of the places. So, before the act of killing, they like to torture the werewolves, then take them apart, piece by piece.

Too bad you never get to have any conversations with any of the Silver Hand. I'd like to hear some of their personal stories about what some of the werewolves may have done to them in their pasts, or if they simply like killing them for whatever blood ritual.

I would've liked an option to side with Sliver Hand as well.

I don't think the Silver Hand is as goody two shoes as some of you assume.

I wonder if the Silver Hand were ever meant to be to vampires, what the companions were to the werewolves.

Many have expressed disappointment how there are no questlines related to being a vampire, yet the werewolves have their own guild.

Cut content perhaps?

I sometimes think so, either way I know a lot of mods will make the silver hand a playable faction for pc users (I myself am going to attempt to make them a vampire guild)

I wish this too..

About the best anti-werewolf thing I can do is actually going "full on" werewolf with Hircine and Companions quests.. and then having a change of heart, curing myself and the rest of the guys. And then not helping Aela. Either that, or killing her (not what I want to do btw.. but it'd work for a fanatical type of character).

Not all werewolves are evil. The Silverhand are murderous bastards period.

TES lore is not the same as real-life lore. Most of the current Vampires vs Werewolves crap spawned from Underworld, and before that the two didn't interact that often on a grand scale. In actuality, some older real-life stories said that werewolves were vampires (remember Dracula? some of the original stories have him, as a vampire, changing into a wolf monster).

TES does not have werewolves and vampires at each others' throats and have no reason to be. Werewolves are not and were not slaved to vampires. The two creatures were created by two different Daedric Princes for different, unrelated reasons. Some vampires may hate werewolves and some werewolves may hate vampires, but it's a personal thing and not a blanket statement.

/rant

All that said, I have no doubt there are some vampires within the Silver Hand (some of them dropping vampire dust is a big giveaway), but I do doubt they're very wide spread. The Silver Hand uses silver weapons, and vampires are undead, so I don't imagine they mesh very well.

You do know that mythology is all dependent on the time period of which you quote it from right? I also never stated that TES follows anything. I said that it is typical of most movies, games and books to have werewolves at the throats of vampires and vice versa so whats not to say that Bethesda wasn't trying to do that with the Silver Hand which is highly supported by the fact that most of them drop vampire dust when they are killed which would follow modern day movies and books. Also Vlad the Impaler (Dracula) did not resemble the modern day stereotypical Dracula that you stated as your proof. Since you wanted to be technical I figured I would be too And yes, Vlad the Impaler is where Dracula came from due to legend that he would drink the blood of his enemies/victims and that he would also dip his food into it before eating. Not the vampire werewolf you talked about is it? Just a sick mortal being who did nasty thing.

Example Zombie comes from voodoo, but has been commonly accepted today as undead beings who rise from their grave. With time Mythology changes, its not a static thing.

I don't think the Silver Hand are vampires. They probably only carry vampire dust and hawk feathers only because these are common ingredients for Cure Disease potions which they need when fighting werewolves. They also usually have some of the potions on them as well.

The Silver Hand seem more like big game hunters than an organisation with good motives.

They carry vampire dust for the same reason they carry mudcrab chitin and hawk feathers. They are components for cure disease potions and the Silver Hand don't want to catch lycanthropy from their foes/victims.

Yeah. Though the problem with using the "real life lore" argument is that there really isn't any such thing. What we have are thousands of years of stories which all say different things... some of which are completely made up, and others are based on historical figures who do not have the kind of mythological powers the stories would suggest (eg, if you look into the basis of the Dracula stories expecting to find a real person who could turn into a bat and could only be killed by a stake through the heart, you'll be sorely disappointed). There's nothing you can point to and objectively say "this is what it's like in real life lore". You can point to one thing, and I can point to another with the same veracity.

Though I do must apologize for my ranting. It's a reflex when I see something pointed as 'almost always true elsewhere' that's only somewhat true in pop culture. But saying "lore always states vampires and werewolf hate each other, in most all movies, books and games even including real life mythology about them," is simply not true. Most all movies, books, games, and real-life mythology do not have werewolves and vampires hating each other for what they are. Most of them that have vampires or werewolves don't include both creatures, and of those that do, not all have them at war.

Because TES lore does not follow that formula. There's nothing in the games to suggest the two creatures have a particular hatred for each other*, and there's no reason to think they should given their creation and purpose. Really, the only thing werewolves tend to hate are themselves (as they have no control over themselves in beast form, yet can remember all the killing and eating they do; it drives them insane and often causes them to lose their minds).

* There is a small instance in Daggerfall where a vampire states they prefer drinking werewolf blood because it tastes better, but that's pretty much it. Vampires still most often go for the blood of regular people, not werewolves. There's no grand-scale attack against werewolves by vampires, or vice-versa.

IIRC, they don't have Vampire Dust on them before they're killed. I'll again lament that Bethesda didn't make all vampires turn to ash when killed, and instead opted to just add Vampire Dust to their inventory on death. Maybe I'll run through a Silver Hand hideout with Dawnbreaker and see what happens (now that vampires are properly treated as undead, finally).

There is a Mod on the nexus that allows you to start off as a Silverhand Member, the faction is friendly to you and you start off at their headquaters.

Hi,

werewolves are an abomination! When/if there is a mod with joinable Silver Hand and a questline I`ll join. And given the chance I will ritually torture them in general and the Circle in particular. As there will probably be complimentary mods with capture and enslavement.

Furthering the common good by evil methods is EPIC!

Rgds, Haldir

nope. you're wrong. it was a khajiit. but it was on a table. with blood and rusty tools all over it. sick [censored]s.

If you can align with the Dark Brotherhood who also have torture rooms and other evil stuff, I don't see why there is a problem with joining Silver Hand.

They do not use any vampiric powers, however. They could just kill vampires and keep their dust.

And I agree on what you said about vampirism vs werewolves. And Babette and Arnbjorn seemed to get along just fine, excluding her calling him "Little doggy" at one point. But then again, it is the Dark Brotherhood, so kiling each other is frowned upon.

i liked Underworld, but i never saw the werewolves vs vampires thing as a traditional rivalry or something. werewolf stories are traditionally all about their loneliness. and how it's unpredictable and a danger to even their friends or family. stan lee based the Hulk comic much off of werewolf legends. same kind of story. except Bruce Banner was a scientist and spent his waking life trying to find a cure.

to get back to the game, this is what the silver hand seem to mainly be concerned about. a lot of the wolves they lock up seem like the primal, uncontrollable type. even aela says something to that effect. what would make a silver hand faction interesting is if you could move up in ranks, with the intention of just being a monster hunter - and then find yourself dealing with the more fanatical elements, that want to kill even the companions. every faction has a positive and good side, so it could be written like that. just writing them as totally "evil" and unjoinable is crappy though.