again, being able to complete games IN MY FREAKIN MIND is not a valid reason for poor gameplay and mechanics.

Frankly it's not even an alternative. It's a void, a lack of anything but a very rare, utterly pointless speech check. Want to get into Whiterun? Tell the Guard you're here about the Dragons rather than trying to persuade him. Don't like Mikael bothering Carlotta in Whiterun? Punch his face in, it's easy now because there's no hand to hand skill.

The only real reason you'd care about it is that for each point the merchant prices get a little better. But why not just call it Mercantile and end the farce?

in other words, someone with the fervour of the recently converted true believer who feels that their new game (skyrim in this case) is the BEST THING EVAR!!!!111oneeleven

Right. If wanted to play make-believe i would have saved my money and talked to wall instead.

Was part of that syndrome also being able to write coherently in English?

It's mind-boggling that you can be so arrogant and contemptuous while simultaneously saying things like "would of".

True, you could do that...but my character wouldn't, as she's not the punching type. So sweet talking it is!

I guess I see Speech (such as it is) in Skyrim as sort of an RP enhancement rather than a proper skill. I don't care about merchant prices, since I've probably got more gold than all the Jarls put together thanks to the way economies work in vanilla TES games. What I enjoy--and the reason my character's speech skill is 40+ at the moment--is being able to use persuade/bribe/intimidate in various situations in quests, rather than just punching a character's face in and moving on. Yeah, I could kill that thief accosting me on the road to Whiterun...but it makes more sense for my PC to bluff her way out of it by intimidating him.

Then again, maybe I've just got PTSD from Oblivion's conversation pie, so anything looks like a good alternative. Even if it is just a random speech skill check.

The one thing I really miss from Morrowind is the ability to taunt NPCs into attacking you, so you could kill them without getting a bounty for it. That was one of my favorite elements of the Speech skill in MW, especially when doing the Morag Tong quests. Missed it sorely in Oblivion and still miss it in Skyrim.

Not you again... As long as one can understand what is meant, nothing is wrong with someone who doesn't write/speak perfect english!


This!

1. What is wrong with my English?
2. It's mind-boggling that you can jump in this and think that I don't have a valid point. I said it appeared he was another person that doesn't there is anything wrong with Skyrim, never specifically stated that he was, in my terms, a fan boy.

Sure. Except when they're being a condescending n'wah.


1. I gave you one example.

2. Anyone, and I mean anyone, using the word "fan" within 3 words of the word "boy" is instantly discredited in my book. People who like the game aren't wrong. People who disagree with you aren't wrong.

Nothing wrong with positive reinforcement. I'll let Beth know that Speech is amazing and hopefully continues in this direction. What happened to Dragonborn1?

Different options for different genders/races would also be interesting. If you're a human female you might tell him to stop bothering chasing Carlotta and focus on a girl like you. You could try that with Mer and Beast races too, but it might be less likely to work depending on your race/his disposition.

But it's the perfect description, one who doesn't see something wrong with a game and says that it is done perfectly is, as I said, in my terms a fan boy.. I really don't have a care in the world if you "discredit" me. Tip, you really need to stop being a Grammar Nazi.


As far as I can tell he was banned for spamming.

This, a thousand times this!

Bethesda should watch Wasteland 2 carefully and see how dialogue trees can be a greater part of the whole experience. If they join the project they should work on the open world design part.

what direction? another useless skill.

the opinion that speech is 'amazing' can be easily countered by why it's not and, therefore, you would have to be confronted with those reasons, accept them and change your view, or, reject them for no other reason than blind loyalty.

it's what debate and logic and reasoning are all about. and, the willingness to change one's mind in the face of superior rationale is a very admirable quality.

There is nothing wrong with positive reinforcement, however there is something wrong with positive reinforcement in the wrong direction. What would change for your character, if you had the possibility to use Speech more often e.g. to escape a fight, but weren't forced to?

No, it's not the perfect description. It's a pointless insult (like "Grammar Nazi") that makes you sound like you can't argue a point on its own merits.

What would you prefer then, because I will make sure I will conform to your wants, not what is simple and is a term that people know.

I can't even take this statement seriously. There's absolutely no way you could consider speech 'amazing' due to its lack of options, and highly limited implementation. It's just not intellectually honest. You'll say that your opinion is your opinion and how can I question something that's theoretically subjective, but I think you're just trolling people at this point.


From the previous posts you've made, I'd say he deleted his account and made a new one called 'The Main Event'. Many of your comments seem to border on sycophancy towards Skyrim and Bethesda.

Oh, I don't know... how about not resorting to name-calling at all?

Would that be too difficult?

As opposed to picking at people's grammar over internet forums?

Have to disagree with you here.

First of all, if someone is only saying "No, it's a perfect game just the way it is," without offering any sort of evidence to support their stance they aren't arguing. They're just contradicting someone. They offer nothing new with any of their posts and make for a terrible conversation. If they can back up their opinion, that's fine, but if all they have to say is "I like it," then there's really nothing to gain from talking to them.

Also, your practice of trying to discredit someone based on the fact they said "would of" rather than "would have" is just ad hominem, and completely pointless. It makes you come off as someone who is more form over function. I don't abide poor grammar, but I'm okay with a misspelling here or there as long as the point is clear. It's a simple mistake that anyone can make, and doesn't instantly invalidate their opinions.

Dragonborn1 was better I can tell.

As you may have read in my post, I only chose to pick on the atrocious grammar because the poster was being arrogant and condescending.

Better? What?