Just another, keep cranking them out, one a year like cod. For that matter if you have to sell your pc games only threw steam that means you hate your customers. Steam offers nothing to a tes game, NOTHING. You are putting up fences, and people will say its all for money then good. Not every business treats there customers like crap. Any pc game company that uses steam craps on there customers. Forced steam on a tes game unbelievable. DO you like it that it takes people hours and days to freaking install your slyrim.???? Tes was a pc game its what made you and you have, one stop making it for pcs, two use some craptastic company like Valve/steam to deliver your game, Do you enjoy giving your customer a hard time Beth forceing us to use crap services?? The direction the company and its games is pathetic. The last Decent game Beth cranked out was Fallout 3.

Damn you love making complaint threads, there's better and more constructive ways you could spend your time here instead of whining you know.

How pathetic. It only took me two hours to play Skyrim from the second I pressed purchase on Steam.

I wish the mods would just nip these kind of posts right in the bud...there...that's MY complaint...Freakin whiners....

But what about the upcoming Steam Workshop integrations. Finally I can get mods without worrying about viruses!

I actually have something to say in this particular thread lol. why does it take 5 hours to install Skyrim when I have the CD? and the game didnt even get updated.....

Game DL'd in 45 mins and was playing within the hour of buying it. Also, steam makes it very easy to take AND upload screenshots. Most people use steam, get on the band wagon

Holy schnikies! I had Steam and the game installed in like minutes...What kind of machines and internet connections are you people running?

"Sell only through Steam". I bought my PC version from Amazon.
"Hours and days to install". Installed mine from retail disk in a matter of minutes.
"Force us to use crap services". I've purchased several "out of print/ impossible to find" games from Steam, which made me very happy.

Took me about 10 minutes to install through my CD; Steam isn't that bad.

Support fully. I hate Steam. Yeah, sure, it's kind of cool in terms of features, but with those features come a lot more technical issues, and those technical issues outweigh the cool features for me. Let's hope Bethesda sees that their customers aren't going to be, as you say, "crapped on" any more.

It doesn't, but unfortunately you have to jump through hoops to get it to simply install as Steam will keep trying to make you download the entire game.

I'm curious to see how that plays out. Skyrim Nexus is already well established and has mod manager that's pretty slick for an early beta. I suspect new players will use more Steam features for mods and old players will use the tools they built for themselves already.

You are not telling the truth. You might already be a steam customer so that means you didn’t have to install and DL the latest steam client. Another thing you would have had to have a really fast connection, this is steam they aren’t known for fast downloads. Not to mention getting all the current patches. Everything being forced on you.

It is much easier to have all your games available to download from an online database rather than have a bunch of CDs that could easily break, I can see how steam would be extremely annoying for those with slow internet though (I had 40 kb/s until around a year ago).

Guess what an onlile database can go ofline, my cd never break will unless I break it, then its MY FAULT.

It could go offline, though this happens infrequently, if it meant so much to have the game on a CD you could copy the files you download onto one for safekeeping (or keep them on flash drives).

Upgrade your computer/connection or buy the game on disc and quit your crying. Literally no one wants to hear it.

I bought the game disk, a few minutes of install time and 30 seconds to a minute tops to install steam and the activation codes... do you live in the deepest darkest parts of the Congo or what?

I like to hear these things. It lets me know I'm not the only one who would rather not have something standing between me and my games.

Here have a nice tall glass of shut the [censored] up if you dont like bethesda or their games then get the [censored] off of their forums and sell every one of their games and dont go on steam! no one on here will miss you or every one of your stupid threads [censored]ing about one stupid pointless thing that no one cares about.

Look up digital distribution man, it's a lot better value for the developers. FIrst of all, all you need to make an online game is one copy of it, which you can copy a near infinite number of times at no expense to the developer who can cut out the middle-men like Gamestop or packaging companies, who make fortunes off soley being middle men. Steam allows you to download the game on as many computers as you want (for most titles anyways), which completely eliminates the need for a disk that can scratch or break.
Download times varry, sure, but what's a few extra minuites (or hours depending on how slow your computer and internet are) difference from the CD copy? Valve is an awesome company, who probably hold their fans in higher reguard than almost any developer; it's a dream to see two brilliant companies like Valve and Bethesda work together to produce this CK and the workshop. The only downfall I can see in the whole arrangement is that the digital pre-order copy for Skyrim was a hat for TF2 ( In comparason to a map? ... no thanks guys). And besides, what else could there be? Skyrim on Origin? Don't make me laugh. CDs and used-game salesmen? Time to start living in the present.

the disc version requires Steam as well, And what of the users living outside the realm of hi-speed access (for example: rural America)

I for one would love to support PC gaming & Beth's devs but Beth isn't giving the means to do so

Be constructive about your complaints. You are only wasting your time otherwise.

OP would you rather have Windows live? Like they did with Fallout 3? I certainly wouldn't, steam is a great network although any AAA publisher that uses (as in full integration) it to me are just idiotic and just want to save cash by not making their own kind of DRM is my opinion if I HAD to use a 3rd party network I will choose steam. Beats GFWL and the horrible "points" system it uses and upcoming mods will be accessible and downloaded through steam.

With that in mind expect next TES games or even all BGS titles to be steam intergrated because beth is making such system for mods.