Ok. i have played the elder scrolls since morrowind so i dont have background knowledge on daggerfall or earlyer. So heres my opinion on why Skyrim is not as bad as you guys are making it sound.

For ease im going to number common issues then adress them in the same order.

1. People say that the game isnt as in-depth as the previous ones.

2. npc's are less exiting and or informative.

3. to many bugs.

4. Quests are not enough in-Depth.

5. Forced 3rd person where we had choice before. WTF!!

6. Game not hard enough.

7. RPG elements have been watered down

Ok so here are my opinions on each of the above points

1. I think whilst the game still isnt as freaky and unique as morrowind but is a MASSIVE step up from oblivion. There is a hell load more culture and history imbeded into skyrim, You just have to go looking a little harder. Like in in-game books and stuff. I find that to comprehend the lore you also need a little background knowledge from the previous games. ( I know a [censored] load about TES lore).

2. Some retards complained that the Npc's werent as exiting as the morrowind and earlyer ones. In a way they are slightly less informative due to the fact that skyrim uses audio instead of text dialogue but i think that with voice acting the NPC's are a lot more lovable and they have more personality. this makes the world around them seem more realistic as well.

3. Who gives a fudge about bugs. Whilst they may be slightly annoying, The game is so big that they dont matter, and the bigger ones ussually just require a earlyer autosave load. But this is me playing on Xbox 360, so if your on PS3, bad luck.

4. At first i was dissapointed with this. But then i discovered that the Faction quests actually just get right down to the s**t in their main quest line, But you can always do the more off-topic ones during or after the faction quest line like in oblivion. And thanks to the radiant story thingy there are a [censored] more side quests, But in all honesty they are a little dull.
I love dungeon quests. They are better than any other TES game so far

5. I dont even think this deserves attention. Who really cares. When there is a "cut scene" Its ussually only for a minute at most.

6. Dont be a [censored]. Play on expert or master. I played oblivion on 75% and morrowind on around 80-90%. thats how TES games should be played.

7. TES games were never really the kind of games to give you a specific character to follow so i reakon that if you really want to play as a specific character then this is the perfect game for it. Go buy a house and live quitely or go into the wilds and live on the road. Or be the hero of the realm.

Over all i reakon that whilst we may have lost a little detail in terms of the lore ( More than than oblivion, Less than morrowind) We have been given architecture and more understandable characters with more personality. And if you really are a True elder scrolls fan then you can look past the tiny flaws ( which they have all had so far) and see the beautifully crafted world underneath.

But this is just my opinion and in my opinion TES games are not all about combat and quests anyway, Im just a lore nerd.

Dwemer FTW

Lore wise its been torn to shred too.. see vampires as a good obvious example.

I don't know what game you are playing, but well over 50% of Skyrim's actual content consists of combat and radiant quests. Being lackluster in any of those areas, is unacceptable when it is that large a portion of gameplay.

It hasnt been torn up. It just hasnt been expanded upon. And since it was in the other games, it doesnt really need to be as obvious. But one question: do they still use phorphylic hemophilya as the disease?

Fine then go to the college and read up on ya books. or just go explore the wonderful dungeons

Lore can change.
This is 200 years after Oblivion. A lot can change in 200 years.
The future hasn't been written yet.

Couldnt be more correct dude. The society has changed. Just look at the diffrence between daggerfall and oblivion lore in terms of the nine divines

i think you got 1 and 3 mixed up bugs should be the number one problem

lol so we shouldn't worry about our systems blowing up in our faces lol

Leave Britney Skyrim Alone!

I take big issue with point #3. My game slideshow is filled with broken quests and annoying bugs. The PS3 version is quite bad.

Stop complaining about complaining.

they werent in order of importance

Stop complaining about people complaining. It achieves nothing and just creates more opportunities for people to complain.

I stopped reading there. Just who the hell do you think you are? You could have made the greatest argument humanity has ever achieved in it's entire existence, but nobody will ever know because of that moronic statement.

Reported as a troll.

Enough with the excuse that if the error was in morrowind or obliovion is normal they are in Skyrim, 10 and 6 years have passed, Skyrim is not a good successor to the previous game failed and were removed too many features that should have been improved through the years, bethesda count too much to the support of the modders and they continue to earn money with low effort.

Calm down dude. First of all if im that much of a minority to you then why did you bother telling me. second, i dont find that word as "moronic" as you make it out. and thirdly this isnt even supposed to be an argument thread, its supposed to be a realise what your missing thread

no complaints here, in fact this is the best game i have ever played (and i own over 200 games!)

until i beefed up my pc i started to hate this game just for how laggy and horrible it ran

Bethesda is quite possibly one of the hardest working game devs out there. after racing games of course. And the skyrim errors are just minoritys dude

I see many steps forward in Skyrim, but I also see a few that are backward.

No need to list them, as it would add nothing to this conversation... BUT :

Continue with the Skyrim criticisms, please.

Though 'Thesda may not read this forum closely, it gets the word out.

And even though I give the critics flak, they are a necessary function of gaming.

see people. this is how we want to be talking. this guy has the right idea.

Now whilst i may be a little blinded by my love for TES. Just take a second to consider if maybe you are blinded by hate.

no, it's a thread telling people to "stop complaining about skyrim."

what you don't realize is that many of us want TES and beth games to improve, advance, and become better games. skyrim has dumbed down, streamlined and made everything simple with no depth and more eliminated.

we are on this beth website because we care about this series and other games and don't like to see what we view as terrible decisions, trends and outright laziness on their part.

there are so many easy examples that i can name off that just aren't done correctly in this game and i don't like the trends it is very much setting.

we will continue to "complain" because we hope that it will lead to understanding and better future games.

where is the complaining? You havent seen real sh*tstorms. Should have seen Unreal Tournament 3.

Seeing how rude this thread starts, it was a bad idea from the beginning.