Stormcloaks oblvious to Thalmor...

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:16 pm

Near Solitude I see some Thalmor Justiciars with a Stormcloak prisoner. I run up to him and free him and, as expected, they all go hostile. No worries, I'm only a 10 second jog from the Haafingar Stormcloak camp :)

I run over and lead them there, expecting to be joined in battle and helped by the 10+ Stormcloaks stationed at the camp. Instead, they see the 2 Thalmor soldiers running towards me and say "I'm getting out of here" and all flee in panic! So there I am, in the middle of their camp, being forced to fight their sworn enemy by myself while Stormcloaks all around me are running like headless chickens!

After much difficulty, I manage to kill the two Thalmor soldiers, causing the Stormcloaks to calm down. Immediately, one says:

"Next Imperial I see is dead"

o_O
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Anna Krzyzanowska
 
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:00 am

Silly Nords and their macho facades
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:06 am

Did you see any glasses of milk in their camp?
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:38 pm

After much difficulty, I manage to kill the two Thalmor soldiers,
Difficulty?
Two Thalmor soldiers?
I take it you've never raided Northwatch Keep...
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:45 am

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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:45 pm

I go through Thalmor like a lawnmower. My character is a well-traveled Nord warrior who's a Companion and who is entirely neutral as far as the Civil War goes...but he kills any Thalmor he sees out in the wilderness. Their prisoners are freed not because he sides with the Stormcloaks, but because he can't stand the Thalmor. And for spoilerish reasons that I won't discuss here but which become apparent during the Main Quest, his suspicions regarding the Civil War were correct from the get-go.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:52 pm

Don't be an ass, the point of the post is that they are oblivious to the Thalmor. I am RP a high elf mage that uses thalmor gear and all I ever hear are racist remakes about elves by the nords.
Same, I'm enjoying a Thalmor RP and I kill Talos worshipers on sight, only to have Nords of Windhelm be as indifferent to me as possible with some offending remarks about Dunmer. I even did the mandatory "Storm-Ulfric's-Palace-And-Run-Over-The-Table" only to have no reaction from the mighty pseudo-King :(
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:43 am

Oblivious means unaware, not afraid. Its just a scripting issue. They're probably marked as "townspeople", and not "guards." I play a Dunmer, who has a lot of Steel and Nordic gear, and all I hear is "Watch it, elf" "Stay out of trouble, elf" and "Don't cross me, elf" even in Imperial controlled towns.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:43 pm

Difficulty?
Two Thalmor soldiers?
I take it you've never raided Northwatch Keep...

I reloaded that place so many times in trying to keep everyone in the group alive, but they just get owned in about 5 seconds.

As for the OP yeah its stupid. I went with Stormcloaksas well and I defeated the empire and freed Skyrim. But I still see Imperial soldiers escorting a prisoner around the rounds in Skyrim - sometimes practically within spitting distance of Whiterun. The funny thing is though is that when I attack them I get a bounty for doing so.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:38 am

Near Solitude I see some Thalmor Justiciars with a Stormcloak prisoner. I run up to him and free him and, as expected, they all go hostile. No worries, I'm only a 10 second jog from the Haafingar Stormcloak camp :smile:

I run over and lead them there, expecting to be joined in battle and helped by the 10+ Stormcloaks stationed at the camp. Instead, they see the 2 Thalmor soldiers running towards me and say "I'm getting out of here" and all flee in panic! So there I am, in the middle of their camp, being forced to fight their sworn enemy by myself while Stormcloaks all around me are running like headless chickens!

After much difficulty, I manage to kill the two Thalmor soldiers, causing the Stormcloaks to calm down. Immediately, one says:

"Next Imperial I see is dead"

o_O

It's just poorly done AI. All guards work the same if you are already in the area and something attacks you they defend, if you drag something attacking you they do not.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:22 pm

Imperials attacked the Thalmore when they attacked me. I find that Stormcloaks tend to be more viable to running away than imperials, but this is from personal experience not empirical evidence in anyway shape or form.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:36 pm

Same, I'm enjoying a Thalmor RP and I kill Talos worshipers on sight, only to have Nords of Windhelm be as indifferent to me as possible with some offending remarks about Dunmer. I even did the mandatory "Storm-Ulfric's-Palace-And-Run-Over-The-Table" only to have no reaction from the mighty pseudo-King :(

Wait, why is a dark elf aiding the Thalmor? I thought the Thalmor were prejudiced against Dunmer on religious grounds? Maybe that was an incorrect assumption of mine.

I reloaded that place so many times in trying to keep everyone in the group alive, but they just get owned in about 5 seconds.

Don't take anybody with you except your one follower - Lydia, whoever you've got that's good in combat. I didn't take anybody else, because I figured they'd just (1) get in my way and (2) get themselves killed.

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What annoys me is that the quest is partially broken, and there's no way to get what's-his-name out of there diplomatically, even though there's supposed to be some way to do so.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:21 am

Wait, why is a dark elf aiding the Thalmor? I thought the Thalmor were prejudiced against Dunmer on religious grounds? Maybe that was an incorrect assumption of mine.

I'm afraid you understood me wrong (or that I'm just a bad writer!)
What I meant was, I am a high elf roaming around Windhelm in full Thalmor uniform killing Talos worshipers and all the Nords care about is the Dunmer not contributing to war effort.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:24 am

I'm afraid you understood me wrong (or that I'm just a bad writer!)
What I meant was, I am a high elf roaming around Windhelm in full Thalmor uniform killing Talos worshipers and all the Nords care about is the Dunmer not contributing to war effort.

Ah. True enough. Are you committing these foul, foul acts of murder and oppression near potential witnesses, or are you doing so in a way that leaves no witnesses?
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:03 pm

Near Solitude I see some Thalmor Justiciars with a Stormcloak prisoner. I run up to him and free him and, as expected, they all go hostile. No worries, I'm only a 10 second jog from the Haafingar Stormcloak camp :smile:

I run over and lead them there, expecting to be joined in battle and helped by the 10+ Stormcloaks stationed at the camp. Instead, they see the 2 Thalmor soldiers running towards me and say "I'm getting out of here" and all flee in panic! So there I am, in the middle of their camp, being forced to fight their sworn enemy by myself while Stormcloaks all around me are running like headless chickens!

After much difficulty, I manage to kill the two Thalmor soldiers, causing the Stormcloaks to calm down. Immediately, one says:

"Next Imperial I see is dead"

o_O

That'll teach you for expecting 21st century A.I. standards from a 21st century game!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:29 am

That'll teach you for expecting 21st century A.I. standards from a 21st century game!

Haha true!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:45 pm

Ah. True enough. Are you committing these foul, foul acts of murder and oppression near potential witnesses, or are you doing so in a way that leaves no witnesses?
No one sees me but they sure see the poor bastard falling down! :P

In Whiterun nobody cared when that preacher suddenly fell down with an arrow in the back of his head. I suppose everyone was sick of him.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:53 pm

Yeah, the guards in Skyrim are all milk drinkers. I've had assassins/thugs attack me near towns. When I bring them into the town, the guards flee or encourage the assassin (or me...not sure who they're rooting for). So, I remember which guard didn't do his job and I slit his/her throat.

I don't know why, but the guards will assist me when I kite a hostile beast to them. For whatever reason, they won't help with assassins or thugs.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:15 pm

I don't know why, but the guards will assist me when I kite a hostile beast to them. For whatever reason, they won't help with assassins or thugs.

"Someone should do something!"
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:21 pm

That's just bad game design rather than the stormcloaks being oblivious. The legion troops have helped me kill thalmor soldiers before, which makes no sense.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:55 pm

Near Solitude I see some Thalmor Justiciars with a Stormcloak prisoner. I run up to him and free him and, as expected, they all go hostile. No worries, I'm only a 10 second jog from the Haafingar Stormcloak camp :smile:

I run over and lead them there, expecting to be joined in battle and helped by the 10+ Stormcloaks stationed at the camp. Instead, they see the 2 Thalmor soldiers running towards me and say "I'm getting out of here" and all flee in panic! So there I am, in the middle of their camp, being forced to fight their sworn enemy by myself while Stormcloaks all around me are running like headless chickens!

After much difficulty, I manage to kill the two Thalmor soldiers, causing the Stormcloaks to calm down. Immediately, one says:

"Next Imperial I see is dead"

o_O

Silly rebels, military is for imperials!

Next time run to an imperial camp. The imperial guardsmen have the nuts to fight them, and will, because they hate the Thalmor passionately.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:19 pm

Silly rebels, military is for imperials!

Next time run to an imperial camp. The imperial guardsmen have the nuts to fight them, and will, because they hate the Thalmor passionately.
Yet they agreed to banish talos worshippers, and turn a blind eye when talos worshippers are slaughtered by the thalmor. When most of them worship talos themselves!?

The stormcloaks are right imo, the empire has become to weak, a shadow of its former self. The best interest for skyrim is freedom, and you will likely find that the racial intolerance will subside.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:19 pm

People are way too hard on the imperials. Their options were extinction or going against their natural grain to survive. You don't really expect that after they put skyrim back in line they don't intend to beat back the Thalmor, do ya? And the imperials still fight the Thalmor. Unofficially for the time being.

But Ulfric-Nord-Cloak will leave the Thalmor alone so long as they stay out of his country. And after the Thalmor beat down the imperials, it's only a matter of time until they set their sights on skyrim. But that's the thing about Ulfric. He won't care until they are at his doorstep.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:09 pm

I saw a Stormcloak patrol run into a Thalmor patrol and they attacked each other on sight. The Stormcloaks won with my help.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:17 pm

People are way too hard on the imperials. Their options were extinction or going against their natural grain to survive. You don't really expect that after they put skyrim back in line they don't intend to beat back the Thalmor, do ya? And the imperials still fight the Thalmor. Unofficially for the time being.

But Ulfric-Nord-Cloak will leave the Thalmor alone so long as they stay out of his country. And after the Thalmor beat down the imperials, it's only a matter of time until they set their sights on skyrim. But that's the thing about Ulfric. He won't care until they are at his doorstep.
Have you played the stormcloak campaign until the end? You hear ulfric saying how he plans to rebuild his armies to be able to fight the thalmor threat on his own beaches or the enemies.

The people will be happy with the freedom to worship whatever god they choose to, without the threat of genocide that the empire have accepted. Like I said above, after the war and the threat of dragons racial intolerance will likely subside.
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