Subtitles: looks like Bethesda hasn't learned yet.

Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:31 pm

Seriously, does Bethesda consider the deaf player population nonexistent to their sales? In Fallout 3, a lot of us hated how you left out subtitles for the intro cinematic. This happened in even Oblivion. We let these things pass as amateur mistakes and that you guys would eventually add subtitles to your intro cinematics. GUESS AGAIN!

That's 3 games in a row. When will you learn, Bethesda?
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Nicola
 
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:04 am

Obsidian made new vegas......
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Karl harris
 
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:33 am

Obsidian made new vegas......


And that matters to the deaf players how...

I don't give a damn whether Obsidian Entertainment or Bethesda Softworks made NV - I just want subtitles to be on the intro cinematic so I don't feel bad when I watch the intro cinematic, knowing that I'm missing out on what was being said and start the game with a sour taste in my mouth.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:02 am

That's unfortunate :sad: I have a bad hearing myself, and I especially had a hard time hearing what was said during the end cutscene of Fallout 3 and Morrowind (which didn't have subtitles during the cinematics either).
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:35 am

Wait for a youtube vid to sub it or something?

I'm not sure how to help you. :shrug:
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:16 am

Ron Perlman says "War. War never changes." Then you play the game. the end. Does the rest matter?
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:09 am

Ron Perlman says "War. War never changes." Then you play the game. the end. Does the rest matter?

If its Ron Perlman as the Narrator.............yes it does.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:17 am

are you deaf?
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:03 pm

Ron Perlman says "War. War never changes." Then you play the game. the end. Does the rest matter?

They're going to mix it up one of these days, I just know it.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:13 am

And that matters to the deaf players how...

I don't give a damn whether Obsidian Entertainment or Bethesda Softworks made NV - I just want subtitles to be on the intro cinematic so I don't feel bad when I watch the intro cinematic, knowing that I'm missing out on what was being said and start the game with a sour taste in my mouth.


Don't they have a subtitle function on youtube?
I don't know if it automatically subtitles, or if it's user submitted, but either way maybe you can find the opening cinematics on there?
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:48 am

Don't they have a subtitle function on youtube?
I don't know if it automatically subtitles, or if it's user submitted, but either way maybe you can find the opening cinematics on there?

Youtube's subtitle feature is currently a good thing to go to for a laugh as it gets it spectacularly wrong.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:35 pm

Well, if people express interest, I'll take the 5 minutes to transcribe it onto here.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:55 pm

If its Ron Perlman as the Narrator.............yes it does.


Well, if people express interest, I'll take the 5 minutes to transcribe it onto here.


It's Okay I got it:

War. War never changes. For years mankind was at war. Vaults something something nuclear holocaust. Except, you see, Las Vegas. Gambling. Gambling never changes.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:53 am

Seriously, does Bethesda consider the deaf player population nonexistent to their sales? In Fallout 3, a lot of us hated how you left out subtitles for the intro cinematic. This happened in even Oblivion. We let these things pass as amateur mistakes and that you guys would eventually add subtitles to your intro cinematics. GUESS AGAIN!

That's 3 games in a row. When will you learn, Bethesda?



are you deaf?

I'd said... yes
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:12 am

I thought there was an option to turn subtitles on or off...
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:36 pm

Im not trying to be mean to anyone who may be deaf but most video game designers dont care much fo any minoritys. most deal with there primary customers who would be the hardcoe games which is why new games for pc always need the top of the line pc. thi is because the hardcoe gamers will have a good pc and the rest kindof get left out. the videos hardly tell anything anyways...
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:50 am

Im not trying to be mean to anyone who may be deaf but most video game designers dont care much fo any minoritys. most deal with there primary customers who would be the hardcoe games which is why new games for pc always need the top of the line pc. thi is because the hardcoe gamers will have a good pc and the rest kindof get left out. the videos hardly tell anything anyways...


But when it's something so easy to do, I can understand why they're upset.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:36 am

Spoiler
**Cinematic opens with Sinatra's "Blue Moon" playing, slower than normal**
**44 seconds in, the music fades and you hear the various sound effects associated with whats on the screen**
**cue Ron Perlman's beautiful narration voice at 1:22**
"War, war never changes. When atomic fire consumed the earth, those who survived did so in great, underground vaults.
When they opened, their inhabitants set out across the ruins of the old world to build new societies, establish new vilages, form new tribes.
As decades past, what had been the American Southwest united beneath the flag of the New California Republic, dedicated to old world values and democracy, and the rule of law.
"As the republic grew, so did its needs. Scouts spread East seeking territory and wealth in the dry and merciless expanse of the Mojavi Desert.
They returned with tales of a city untouched by the warheads that had scorched the rest of the world,
and the great wall spanning the colorodo river.
"The NCR mobilized its army and sent it East to occupy the hover dam and restore it to working condition.
But across the colorado, another society had arisen under a different flag.
A vast army of slaves forged under the conquest of 86 tribes. Caesars Legion.
4 years have passed since the Republic held the dam just barely against the legions onslaught.
The legion did not retreat.
Across the river, it gathers strength. Campfires burn, training drums beat.
Through it all, the New Vegas strip has stayed open for business;
under the control of its mysterious overseer, Mr. House,
and his army of rehabilitated tribals and police robots.
You are a courier, hired by the Mojavi Express to deliver a package to the new vegas strip
What seemed like a simple delivery job has taken a turn for the worse..."

**Cue dialogue between two thugs and Benny

Thug 1: you got what you were after, so pay up
Benny: You're crying in the rain, pally
Thug 2: guess whos waking up over here
Benny: time to cash out
Thug 1: will you get it over with
Benny: Maybe cons kill people without looking them in the face, but I'm not a fink, dig? You made your last delivery, kid.
Sorry you got twisted up in this scene. From where you're kneeling, must seem like an 18 carat run of bad luck. Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.

**gun shot**

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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:39 am

@Panuccis Pizza

That's a spoiler. You should wrap it in Spoiler tags...you already spoile the game beginning for me, make sure not to do it for others...;)

Btw. I'm also deaf on the left ear completely and around 75% on the right ear...I've bought an deaf-aid recently. I'm goona hear, I'm gonna hear... :celebration:
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:22 pm

Ron Perlman says "War. War never changes." Then you play the game. the end. Does the rest matter?


That's pretty insensitive if you ask me.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:29 pm

Ron Perlman says "War. War never changes." Then you play the game. the end. Does the rest matter?


I don't know if it matters or not. Since it doesn't seem to matter to you why don't you puncture your ear drums with a knife and then try it and see if you're OK with it.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:04 am

I always play with Subtitles on because I do not want
to miss a moment of the game :hubbahubba:
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:30 am

I don't know if it matters or not. Since it doesn't seem to matter to you why don't you puncture your ear drums with a knife and then try it and see if you're OK with it.


*applaudes*

I'm a deaf person too, and I was not happy when both Oblivion and FO3 didn't offer subtitles. :(

But yeah, most videogame companies seems to like pretending that there is no such thing as a deaf person. That's why I like Nintendo as they seem to have realized that, "Hey! Deaf folks play our games as well! We should make sure they know what's being said so they know the plot!"
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:51 am

In the spirit of being realistic...

Consider it a difficulty or a general oversight when developing a FPS game that has a key factor in the gameplay: sound. Is it an honest expectation that you can thoroughly enjoy and appreciate a game such as this 100% through?

Sure, a developer can add subtitles to an opening sequence. However, how would you recommend that option being implemented? Would you see it without subtitles and then realize you need to set that option by closing out, going to the settings, setting the option and then starting a new game? I'm sure someone would complain about that too. If it showed up with subtitles 100% of the time, more people would complain about that.

How about escalation? If such a change was made, what would the next request be in the spirit of accessibility?

Is this really the complaint you wish to make? I would assume you have more important issues to contend with.

For the opening sequence, you're not really missing anything. The visual describes it well enough coupled with the talk with the doctor. Enjoy the rest of the game.
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Post » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:12 am

It wouldn't hurt if game designers added a simple question when booting the game for the first time: "Would you like to enable subtitles?" Seems like this would be easy to implement and make a number of folks happy.
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