I don't understand what exactly your complaining about. Maybe TES is just not for you?

That's weird I thought Skyrim was Beth's least buggiest game to date. More stable then Fallout 3, I'd have 3 to 4 times as many freezes as I do in Skyrim.

I am not complaining. That's why you are confused.

as am I.

I'll give you a test, right now. You'll have to take my word for it, of course, but I will boot up Skyrim for the first time in days (a broken game can really dampen the playing spirit, yes?) and I won't come back until my game crashes.

Gentlemen, start your stopwatches. See you in about 15.

A: The main quest might be more solid. I misspoke. I've run into problems with every other quest line, however. I can't complete the civil war. I ran into several issues in the thieves guild, had significant issues with the Dark Brotherhood (unacceptably high and significant issues), and currently the quest line for the Civil War is completely broken with no way to advance it.

I have not completed the main quest line however. I misspoke.

As for games that had better QA testing? Sure. Mercenaries II: World in Flames. Hell, go back to Zelda: Link to the Past. GTA has less bugs than this, and that game svcks.

The thing is that there are numerous bugs here that should have been found and addressed prior to release. It's one thing to say, "It's a tough thing to make perfect."

This is not a case of it being not quite perfect however. This is just shoddy work and blatant disregard for things that should have been caught and fixed already.



Even so, the game was released in November. The first patch to address these issues hasn't even been put out yet.



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Fallout 3 GOTY edition was a constantly freezing, nearly unplayable piece of garbage for me. Skyrim has issues even performing for my platform. I don't care what the excuse is with the open world crap, this is garbage.

In my case, I've also found it to be significantly more stable than FO3 and Oblivion. Although New Vegas was made by a different developer, it is using a similar engine and it is similarly a large open world RPG, and it was much more buggy for me at launch than Skyrim.

What?

If I had to guess what you're trying to convey, my response is this: consoles.

Consoles held back whatever innovation Bethesda could've done. Skyrim is still an amazing game; just as much a sequel to Oblivion as Oblivion was to Morrowind. If you wanted a huge technological leap though, it isn't possible because of the limitations of consoles, which are holding back the technology that developers have to work with by over six years.

From a PS3 player's perspective, it's funny how things have worked in reverse. Oblivion, the game ported to the PS3 by 4J Studios, was easily the most stable, for me. Fallout 3 launched less stable, but the DLC really screwed it up. Skyrim launched with problems that Fallout 3 seemed to have post-release and has been quite a poorly-performing product.

Sure sounds like complaining


Every time a PC gamer brings up the fact that consoles are limiting video games it makes me feel guilty cause I prefer consoles haha

But honestly, if it really, really bugged developers, they'd just make their games PC only

Yep, FONV for me was one of the buggiest PC games i've played in some time. Loved it, but pretty bad when it first came out..enough that I didn't go back and finish until much later after patching.

No need to feel guilty, that pc line is [censored].

You want examples? SKSE fixed a resistance bug in patch 1.2 before 1.3 came out. That should speak a little about the experimental state the software is delivered. I couldn't care less if it was code from 2011 or 1984.

Excuse me. I know that games play fine in consoles. However, from Bethesda, the standards the programmers look up to are very low, because they deliver experimental code.

Todd Howard admitted he never got to play a "complete" game: http://www.g4tv.com/videos/56688/the-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim-interview-with-todd-howard/.

What bothers me, are things that are obvious issues from previous games, that were allowed to migrate over unchanged, such as:

The ash piles causing save files to bloat.
Weakness effects stacking.
Crazy physics.
Water being more of a texture than an actual effect.

etc

Wth would tax records have to do with it? You have no idea how their QA department is structured, whether QA are even listed as employees, temps, whatever, do you?

The idea that you would somehow discover Bethesda's dirty little secret of no or badQA by looking at their tax records is ridiculous, furthermore, it would do you no good at all as you legally have no case whatsoever for action. Consumer protection laws are a great thing, but don't exist to be abused by entitled gamers...who have gotten a huge amount of valid use out of a product, but still feel they are 'owed' something.

On PC, Oblivion seemed to have pronounced stability issues. I believe it has something to do with memory reaching a cap at 2GB and causing a CTD. Despite frequent crashing, I enjoyed and played Oblivion for several hundred hours.

In the case of Skyrim, I experienced about 10 CTD in total prior to the Steam LAA update and absolutely no crashes following this, over the course of playing the game 350 hours in total.

The thing is players will play the game differently than many of the testers with builds which are very different from the standard builds the testers might use. One flaw of the testing system might be using premade characters to play through the game to save time. If they do this they need to change their testing methods

He never said that? Unless I just stopped listening and didn't notice

I'm not sure what you're driving at with this tax records thing, but I want to remind everyone that petitions, boycotts, etc., or advocating any sort of legal action against Bethesda is not a permitted discussion topic on this forum.

I could pay a squirrel minimum nut wage and he'd find more bugs than Bethesda could find in a month of QA water cooler testing.
Skyrim has way too many serious save game bloating and autosave problems, but most of them *can* be worked around or even fixed.
Even console players can get around to doing it, with the right knowledge. And I would know- I'm a console player myself.

But honestly I've experienced worst problems with Obsidian games. Especially Fallout: New Vegas, to which I cannot play for half an hour without crashing.

There is already another active topic about bugs and QA testing: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1326599-how-many-qas-worked-on-this-for-real/

I've had 2 CTDs, got the two big bugs from the 1.2 patch, had one quest broken, fell through the floor once and lost someone once. Also, I made a few houses never let me legally in.

Aside from that no problems, and I haven't heard any major problems from people I know IRL. That said I'm not doubting that there are problems, just that this has had a lot less than previous Bethesda games (Morrowind often crashed due to being a system hog, Oblivion was dire for me, FO3 had a few quest glitches.)

I'm used to this from them now, I do think there has been some QA though, or the game simply would not run

I have many friends who play HALO. According to them there are very few bugs in the game, and when one presents itself, a player complains to the maker and it gets fixed...ASAP. No matter how small the problem, it gets fixed. My theory is, no matter what the problem is in any game the maker CAN and SHOULD fix any problem that a paying customer has with a game. Bethesda appears to just stop caring at some point.
I like Skyrim, I just wish they were more honorable than economic. Thanx

Oh hi there, has it been 20 minutes already? Amazing. How the time flies when you're crashing to desktop.

Let me pre-empt you before we get to the part where you call my machine into question and ask for my specs.

AMD PHENOM II X4 965 3.4GHZ
KINSTON HYPER X DDR3/1600MHz 4 GB
ATI HD 5850 PCI-E 16X 1 GB
WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64-BIT
ASUS M4A87TD EVO 870 CROSSFIRE DDR3

The game is [censored] broken, my computer isn't. So says my 200 other games that work without so much as a hitch.

I humbly apply my foot into my Mouth, I genuinely thought you were one of those hit and run posters lol