I was curious to everyone's thought on the matter of future DLC to help the Thalmor or the Empire, or The Stormcloacks if they succeed. I decided to put in here instead of the mods section because I may give spoilers.

In the Main quest you basically kill a lot of thalmor, even if you did help them in one Markath quest or dress in their attire to sneak in the embassy, my question, since you do kill them all. Do they ever really know who your character is and would it be possible to have Thalmor DLC in the future. I really feel there is a lack of Pro-Thalmor quests. You have been apart of helping the Empire the whole TES series and It would be nice, Especially if you are always playing an Altmer, to get to choose to fight for your home land rather then the Empire.

You do get to choose to rebel against the Empire in this series, so why should you not be able to side with Thalmor, if you choose.

Opinions?

Most of folks here seem to say, that the Thalmore are 'evil' and we ought to just leave it at that.

Ya know what though I agree with you. There are three sides to this conflict and it's off that we can't join the third side.

Yes the Thalmore may do questionable things, but it's not like the Stormcloaks, Impereals, or any other faction is completely innocent.

They wouldn't even have to twist much for the quests to happen, you could help the Thalmore no matter what race you were.

Perhaps a Thalmore general that doesn't play by the rules, or a small outpost that you help to save.

Bethesda made this whole conflict very 'grey'...so I don't see why not.

"no way! elves are the utilmate evil,alternatively are just useless!!"

ok ok have to admit i see your point, and agree there's no real reason why one shouldn't be able to join the Thalmors, but then why not joining the 4th side?
savage power ftw go my brother forsworns!

I'm just against anyone regulating freedoms of religion, cause that always ends badly, and they haven't the right anyhow

You could join those pansy ass excuses for a race.
You could also achieve the same end by hugging Alduin.

I lol'd. I would hug a world eater. But yea, I hate anyone who says they are better than everyone else (Especially humans), so the thalmor must be crushed.

Yeah there was also a lack of pro-Falmer quests in this game and pro-Mythic Dawn quests in Oblivion.

Thalmor, may not be liked, however the main antagonist in this main quest are the dragons even if you have a run in with the Thalmor. Personally their arrogance is why I like them, It suites my RP. I do not like religious oppression and arrogance as a trait in real life, but in real life I also can not use magic or ride a dragon hehe.

Difference is, Falmer don't talk, and the Mythic Dawn were OBs MQ bad guys. Thalmor are just another faction that has questionable goals. Hell even if they do want to blow up the world, they're thinking extreme long term, which probably means hundreds or thousands of years no reason you can't help them crush the humans now because you support their elven supremacy agenda/the idea of the Aldmeri Domminion. Especially if you're playing an Altmer, though Bosmer and Khajiit would work too since their provinces are aligned with the Thalmor. Also you have to wonder how much of this is really let's turn Tamriel into a massive suicide cult and how much of it is just posturing for political reasons.

EDIT: @Xialum, same here, I love their arrogance and oppression. They're the only faction that has the balls to just be the [censored] holes they are and they don't care if every one knows it, unlike the Stormcloaks and Imperials who run around pretending they're 'good'.

The Mythic Dawn and the Thalmor are actually quite similar. They were both set up such that you thought they were porbably the main bad guys but in both cases they actually weren't. The Mythic Dawn were stooges for the true bad guy - Dagon - while the Thalmor are working in parrallel but still interfering with the saving of the world, if not directly intentionally. The Falmer and the Thalmor both wish to ultimately dominate or destroy all other races; that the Thalmor talk to you just makes them less upfront and direct about it.

Exactly. My Altmer mage, (heck any of my other characters), ought to have a choice...why should he have to help these ungrateful Nords.

Also it could work for the 'any race can join' plot point by perhaps having a shrewd, thoughtful, commander decide that perhaps, just perhaps, other people might be useful for a little while.

If the writers want more shades of grey....then give us Thalmore options.

(besides...we can join the Dark Brotherhood can't we...)

Whatever spin you try to put on it, the Thalmor are genocidal, megalomaniacs. Therefore they are evil.

not if you'r one of them, don't want to make real life examples to avoid flames, but if you are an high elf in game why shouldn't you want to join your buddies?

Honestly. I can't understand 'always' rooting for the humans in a fantasy game.

agree totally, even thou i generally despise elves, humans are highly overrated

ORC DLC!

Rooting for the Thalmor is not the same as rooting for elves or even Altmer. They enacted pogroms against dissedents within Aldmeri society and expelled or slaughtered those who spoke out against them. Their actions and views were so abhorrant that they prompted the Psijic Order to abscond with one of the largest main islands of the Summerset Isles. The Psijics had become extremely popular amongst the Aldmeri youth and had gone from accepting a few applicants every decade to accepting thousands of new members shortly before teleporting the isle of Artaeum away from their influence.

I would suggest that actively opposing the Thalmor could be very much pro-elven, if you believe elves should be free from ideological purges and not live under a totalitarian fascist regime.

As opposed to Tiber Septim who was a tyrant that used WMD to conquer Summerset and bring it into his empire.... got to love that fresh smell of hypocracy from Talos faction.

Like I said, shades of grey. It would be interesting, if you could come to that conclusion without being told, 'these be evil elves!'.

Perhaps actually working for them, or having a more involved interaction with them would shed some character based light on who and what they are.

Like that wonderful plot twist with the Stormcloaks (ok for some folks it was)...taking up a 'rebel cause', only to realize that as a non-nord you'd be working towards your own demise.

Something like that.

Oppposing the Thalmor does not mean having to like or support the Empire. They conquered - by trick at first and later by force - their own society as well. One can oppose them without caring one way or the other about the Empire and Talos simply by not wanting Aldmeris to be under fascist Thalmor rule.


Its true that you only get much of this information only from reading the books. The books by a prominent Aldmeri exile are particularly helpful and written by an high elf who lived through and eventually came to oppose their plans for his people. Any shades of grey that exist have more to do with the Aldmeri people who are forced to support this regime - as they are assisting evil but not offerred much reasonable choice in the matter. The Thalmor members and true believers, the ones playing spanish inquisition in far flung lands, however are not so grey nor is that unrealistic and without real-world historical precedent. Every high elf you encounter is not a Thalmor supporter though - the Aldmeri in the mage college are not particularly fond of the Thalmor.

That's the thing...thats why I think a Thalmore quest line would be brilliant. If they really are 'that evil' then let me find out on my own.

Also to folks that say "Why would you want to play with evil people.' remember we can join the Dark Brotherhood.

So we can run around committing murder, but we can't work for the Thalmore?

Yeh exately, all these moral problems when one of the most used guild quest lines used by players (oh i like that armor, oh i like stabbin dudes in the back etc) is the one that involves you being a murderer
then again just to make an example, try and go back in time to 1930 and ask some german dude how he feels about nazism, or doin the same to a japanese during the colonization of Korea or again being american during the heroic ages of natives colonozitation i could go on at will...

Yeah that's the practical problem with the idea of allowing too much player participation with the Thalmor. They're not just criminals, they're allegorical representations of Nazis.

That's y 90% of games are made for kids (this included) an "advlt" should be able to discern the differences between a videogame and reality
besides can you tell me the difference between the nazis and for example the spanish/english/european conquistadors that landed on the american continent?
be assured i'm not at all tryin to imply that nazis were good, the contrary...
but i'll leave it at this, sorry for go slightly OT

now how in the world did u come to this conclusion...

the nords werent exactly nice to the elves but people still like them...