The ability to kill witnesses in Skyrim... [Skyrim praise] : V

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:47 pm

...is one of my favorite new additions to the game series. Just the fact that guards are no longer psychic and they now require a witness (that I can kill and have my bounty removed) is amazing. Also, as guards act as witnesses, I can kill the ones trying to arrest me and often escape without a bounty. Brilliant!

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:18 pm

Hmmm. Didn`t know that, it`s certainly better than Oblivion then.

Although I don`t play the thief murdering gards type to worry about it.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:42 pm

YES this is glorious and horribly under appreciated IMO. red dead style fleeing civi sees you kill someone in the back ally and run off spreading more havoc.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:59 am

It's sort of broken. I often kill my witnesses, but remain with my 40 gold bounty. And guards keep killing me when I put my weapon down.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:50 pm

It is a great addition, I just wish the damn horses would stop telling on me!

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:43 pm

It's sort of broken. I often kill my witnesses, but remain with my 40 gold bounty. And guards keep killing me when I put my weapon down.

40 gold is the usual assault bounty, so that's at least better than the 1000 gold murder bounty. Maybe someone else, such a horse, saw you attack so you still retain an assault bounty. And guards do tend to go on a killing frenzy with you, but sometimes it takes leaving the area and coming back for them to offer you the pay off bounty/go to jail/bribe options again.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:05 am

It's sort of broken. I often kill my witnesses, but remain with my 40 gold bounty. And guards keep killing me when I put my weapon down.

Whenever I attack and kill Stendar's Vigilants or some other faction member they still hunt me down in the hold. I even get the "Last witness killed" message... it's broken, may be fixed for the love of sithis.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:15 pm

It's a really good feature, still not 100% perfect, I still get stuck with 40 bountys and killing a guard unwitnessed still gives me a 1000 bounty.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:41 pm

You gotta watch out for them Chickens, snitches all of them.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:30 pm

It's sort of broken. I often kill my witnesses, but remain with my 40 gold bounty. And guards keep killing me when I put my weapon down.

I believe the problem is animals can count as witnesses.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:44 am

There is also the issue of children being able to report crimes, but you can't kill them off (without mods).

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:02 pm

...is one of my favorite new additions to the game series. Just the fact that guards are no longer psychic and they now require a witness (that I can kill and have my bounty removed) is amazing. Also, as guards act as witnesses, I can kill the ones trying to arrest me and often escape without a bounty. Brilliant!

What do you mean?

Even when I kill people with no witnesses I still end up getting a bounty.

What's even more stupid is when you steal something in a room with the doors shut and you hear "You can't take that!!!"

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:50 pm

the thief/assassin i shortly played before scratching always had a bounty even though nobody was ever around.

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» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:55 am

the thief/assassin i shortly played before scratching always had a bounty even though nobody was ever around.

Horses and chickens count as witnesses as well

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:28 am

Horses and chickens count as witnesses as well

Well that`s pretty stupid.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:24 pm

Well that`s pretty stupid.

Not if it's Mr Ed

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:37 pm

Yeah, aside from the above I've encountered some other weirdness. Like I failed to pickpocket someone and they turned hostile, earning me a bounty, then I killed them and the bounty didn't clear even though I was in the wilderness and as far as I know, there were no people, chickens, or horses to see.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:14 pm

Yer, it's good in theory, damn farm animal snitches...

Also, the Stormcloak Soldier you rescued form his Thalmor captors tells on you if you kill them before releasing him.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:21 am

So bethesda make a better crminal detection system but for some reason leave animals as witnesses?
Sure, animals do see things happen, but neither understand nor care if it`s not directly to do with them and even if it was, they still couldn`t tell anyone about it. What? There`s a special Animal Witness Program section in the Guard`s barracks?

They better get some Protection then as well.

I really don`t get the logic of Bethesda sometimes.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:23 pm

not to mention if you attack with a bow from far enough away you get no bounty and the guards become hostile and just wanna kill you

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:54 am

Essential NPCs say hi! <_<

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:01 am

So bethesda make a better crminal detection system but for some reason leave animals as witnesses?
Sure, animals do see things happen, but neither understand nor care if it`s not directly to do with them and even if it was, they still couldn`t tell anyone about it. What? There`s a special Animal Witness Program section in the Guard`s barracks?

They better get some Protection then as well.

I really don`t get the logic of Bethesda sometimes.

It's a bug, a new system and not yet perfect... Still I really like this system, makes much more sense. And occasionaly having to kill a horse to get rid of a bounty svcks, but it's not like it happens all the time. And even with bugs its a million times better then the system in Morrowind or Oblivion.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:22 pm

Does your own horse count as witness?

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:21 pm

Does your own horse count as witness?

Don't think so. Nothing you own (or follows you) counts.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:01 am

My assassin has backstabbed guards several times with no one around and hasn't got a bounty for it. As people said, the snitching amimals are the main problem with the system. At the very least, doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to mod out?