So I created a new character and decided to play the game a bit differently. Anyways before joining sides with anyone my Altmer character is trying to rebuild the relationship between man and Mer because the Thalmor tarnished it with their race domination mentality.

Anyhow to get with the subject I am in Morthal starting to build the relationship between the citizens and I decided to speak with Legate Taurinus Dulis. I asked him http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g322/Raidensama/Skyrim/TESV2012-05-2115-39-07-41.jpg

Does this mean that Ulfric and his Stormcloak army have more support and sympathizers with people then the empire does? It's kind of sad that they have to recruit locally. It seems as if they're having a difficult time recruiting people.

Define scumbag.

Really?! Is everybody and everything a scumbag to you? Previous posters titling you a "troll" are beginning to seem true!

The Empire is stretched thin because there is a front with the Aldmeri Dominion that they are trying to make stronger, because they were ground down in the last war and know another war is coming. The civil war involves only those people in Skyrim; people in Cyrodiil and Hammerfell etc don't care about Ulfrich except that they need Skyrim to stay in the Empire and preserve a united front. So Skyrim's own people are needed to fight the civil war and preserve order in their own land...

So asking questions and getting peoples opinions is considered troll like behavior eh? Geeze when is my next visit to the headmen axe? I had no idea that it was such a serious crime that gets the tittle of troll.

Oh and will you stop derailing my threads already? If you can't stay on task then please keep your off topic opinions to yourself because nobody wants to hear them I really don't want to click on the report icon but you're pushing it.

Your Altmer is a scumbag, because in order to achieve what you are trying to do, you'd have to hand Valenwood and Elinor over to men again.

Actually it speaks against Ulfric. The Stormcloaks aren't fighting the Imperial Legion from Cyrodill they're fight their fellow Nords in Skyrim who support the Empire. The fact the Empire is able to hold its own against Ulfric using only soliders recruited from Skyrim shows that Ulfric's rebellion can only survive because the Thalmor are still a threat to Cyrodill. If The Empire could trust the Thalmor not to take advantage of it they could pull their forces off the boarder and send them north to crush Ulfrics rebellion.

How can the Empire be a "scumbag"? Scumbag is an adjective that describes a person, the Empire is not a person, it is a government that rules 4 of the provinces of Tamriel. There may be people in the Empire that are scumbags, and their actions can effect what the Empire does.

Your boy Ulfric is still scummier.

What a toolbag thing to say.

The empire isn't a scumbag. Just a lot of the people in charge of it are unfortunately. Even Tiber Septim was a scumbag. But he happened to be very successful at pulling it off and still had everyone liking him.(Well except the people he conquered by force of course)

I swear i laughed when i saw this thread. Just imagine your content history: "Ulfric stormcloak is not a scumbag!" "is the empire a scumbag?" "the jarl of whiterun is a scumbag!" Thats funny.

Anyway, historically speaking, i think the empire shouldnt have separated from hammerfell; sure they wanted the war to end, but losing hammerfell would weaken the empire further and hamper chances of a successful recovery hmm?

And anyway, i do think that the empire has less supporters in skyrim than the stormcloaks, because most of the people who join the stormcloaks are more for the "death and glory" rather than "lets wait for a better opportunity". And (generalising here) they're probably more lacking in the intellectual department (cue galmar stone fist).

Yea, i hate galmar.

Hardly a government. The Empire IS the Emperor. That's how that political system works. And I would have to say that Mede is a pretty crappy emperor; I'm excited to see Ulfric get a turn.

Ulfric lost to a single legion, without Alduin saving him he would be dead. If one legion could be beat him, than the Aldmeri Dominion could utterly own Ulfric with utter ease.

Not at all, it means that the Imperial Legion cannot send its entire army en masse to crush Ulfric's rebellion. Their main forces are pinned down and committed to working in other areas of the Empire, most likely helping rebuild and bring the Empire back to what it was like before the Dominion invaded, and to dissuade anyone else from stirring up trouble.

What he means is that rather than bringing in soldiers from other provinces, the Legion that's combatting Ulfric is more or less composed of the people of Skyrim. Jugding by the ethnic diversity you see in some of the Legates, it seems that most of the CO of the Legion are from Cyrodiil, but the infantry is largely made up of Nords who refuse to see Ulfric as a legitimate ruler. It points to this being much more similar to America's Civil war than its War for Independence.

And to answer your topic question. The Empire is not a scumbag. The adjective doesn't apply to non-persons. The Empire is ruled by many people and made up of many more. You can say the people running the Empire are scumbags, but the Empire itself cannot be considered as such. It's like saying a birdbath is a scumbag.


Not quite. You're completely disregarding the Elder Council, which is a very powerful body in the Empire.

Ulfric has a Dragonborn.

Since when isn't the Elder Council disregarded?

Haha call me a wizard! When I saw the topic title I instantly knew who wrote it!

Ulfric Sormcloak's entire rebellion was in Skyrim during the Civil War.

Only a fraction of the Empire existed there.

And yet, the Stormcloaks were in a stalemate with them. If the Empire was in no war, then the rebellion would surely be crushed.

Empire VS Stormcloaks = Empire wins all the time. Unfortunately, the Empire has the Dominion on their backs, so that is something they have to watch out for.

Scumbag.

No Ulfric doesn't.

That's the thing about empires. You have to have the ability to hold large swathes of territory far from your center of power, and the emperor always faces political pressure at home. People say the same thing about Rome- they would never have lost at Teutoburger Wald or Adrianople if they hadn't been forced to fight elsewhere at the same time- well so what. When you bite off more than you can chew, you risk choking on it.

I just addressed this in a different thread. The VA's for the legion are different than the Nord VAs (whereas the Stormcloaks are voiced by the Nord VAs). So I think it's safe to say that Tullius' legions are mostly Cyrodiils with some Nords mixed in. That would be strategically wiser anyway. You want some locals as scouts, but having a lot of Nord troops would mean risk of them changing sides in the middle of a battle.

@ the OP: Get a new word, dude. LOL

I just wonder who the next scumbag will be.

Has he done Delphine or the Blades in general yet?

Dibs on Sigurd the scumbag!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a22GAN0qtPM

They have done plenty of bad things, so maybe, but I don't think so. Some of the leaders might be, but not the Empire itself.

That's funny...he was imprisoned by the Thalmor and then later released.

The whole world's a scumbag. There...answered anymore scumbag threads that might ever pop-up. -.-