The Martial Arts Thread

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:44 pm


Depending on where you live, try calling your local police department and ask them where you can find a self defense class. Some places have courses specifically for that and they'll teach you some tricks so if you absolutely have to you can gain an advantage to escape from an attacker. If you're being victimized into a fight getting away unharmed is a win.


Most of my training is in submission wrestling, in a real fight there are very few useful holds. I can explain more than 20 different techniques but I can only claim 2 of them have ever benefitted me. One of which I had to use in self-defense I don't want to talk about it but after what happened with that I would never recommend it to anyone, ever.
Dont be hard on yourself, unless you've choked a man to death theres no shame in breaking something on someone when its a life or death self defense situation. I've broken a mans arm in self defense, feeling the pop and seeing his pain was not a problem for me because he intended to hurt or possibly kill me so i was happy to incapacitate him before he got the chance...

I agree that grappling is a factor in fights but im trying to strenghten my striking so i dont have to wrestle. Im not a jujitsu expert and a novice aikido student so i try to avoid a situation where size is a factor....i think thats why bruce lee didnt grapple much but at 130lbs he could drop you with a single strike
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:29 pm

I appreciate the input.

My Sifu makes me feel like Ensign Ro from Star Trek: The Next Generation. And it is mainly over asking questions about money. He has knowledge of Wing Chun but he doesn't behave like I expect a master to behave.

Last summer I began classes. It was hard to get him on the phone. Eventually I tried to visit the school but since I don't know the hours I didn't get a chance to see anyone. Eventually I met with Sifu and paid for classes in mid July. I paid $85 for the month. Sifu was very busy around that time; he went on week long vacation on my second week then his Sifu came in to town to do a seminar he was absent to cater to him. For about two weeks he was very absent and very preoccupied plus there are other students that he had to take care.

Things seemed to go back to some normality after the seminar and his vacation. Suddenly while training he tells me in a very rushed manner that I owe him money and why then he goes back to demonstrating drills like nothing happened. So immediately after class I go to my car and pay him the money that same day. He explained that because I joined in the middle of the month that I had to pay a prorated amount which was $21 and he finally told me when money is due which is the first and fifth of every month. He never told me that till then nor have I received a receipt or paper work on dues and due dates. His demeanor was very poor. He treated me like I am a thief as though I was trying to swindle him while I paying him the prorated amount. I went out of my way to show him respect but he frowned and showed me disapproval and frustration. He behaved as though he has no confidence in me and was worried about me.

I felt conflicted about him so after August ended I decided to stop going to class but last February I came back and we agreed to me paying $10 per an hour class and I went 3 times a week .
He mentioned throughout class sporadically that by paying daily I was paying more. Paying this way meant that I would not owe him any money and make it unlikely that I would be treated like a thief. This should have ended any issue about debt.

Last Friday I wanted to ask him if it was okay to come more days a week for the $30 I was paying a week especially since he has told me that I was paying more for than other people that paid monthly for the same amount of days per week. For some reason he got defensive and aggressive. He accused me of trying to run his school. It was a simple question. But he wouldn't listen to me he kept telling me what I was saying and asking then he started badgering with questions like he was trying to trap me. He was insecure, impatient, angry, petty and more worried about his position rather than how to use it constructively. I actually had $200.00 ready to pay him that day for a different program but because of his temper I never got a chance to mention it and since then I blew the money. There was a moment in that exchange while we were on the training floor that he pointed angrily at me and said that I was getting on his nerves for everyone to see. I calmly suggested that we go to his office then eventually he angrily told he didn't want me as a student but me trying to go out of my way to be polite I convinced him to reconsider. He even told me angrily that he wanted to go home rather than to talk to be in a 'get out of my face manner'. It took some effort just to get him to show me his rates. And we never talked about receipts but tomorrow I will buy a receipt book and make receipts for every transaction we make and maybe have him sign them. I guess if he doesn't like that I need reconsider his program which is a shame because I want to learn Wing Chun more than any other art.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:09 pm

I appreciate the input.

My Sifu makes me feel like Ensign Ro from Star Trek: The Next Generation. And it is mainly over asking questions about money. He has knowledge of Wing Chun but he doesn't behave like I expect a master to behave.

Last summer I began classes. It was hard to get him on the phone. Eventually I tried to visit the school but since I don't know the hours I didn't get a chance to see anyone. Eventually I met with Sifu and paid for classes in mid July. I paid $85 for the month. Sifu was very busy around that time; he went on week long vacation on my second week then his Sifu came in to town to do a seminar he was absent to cater to him. For about two weeks he was very absent and very preoccupied plus there are other students that he had to take care.

Things seemed to go back to some normality after the seminar and his vacation. Suddenly while training he tells me in a very rushed manner that I owe him money and why then he goes back to demonstrating drills like nothing happened. So immediately after class I go to my car and pay him the money that same day. He explained that because I joined in the middle of the month that I had to pay a prorated amount which was $21 and he finally told me when money is due which is the first and fifth of every month. He never told me that till then nor have I received a receipt or paper work on dues and due dates. His demeanor was very poor. He treated me like I am a thief as though I was trying to swindle him while I paying him the prorated amount. I went out of my way to show him respect but he frowned and showed me disapproval and frustration. He behaved as though he has no confidence in me and was worried about me.

I felt conflicted about him so after August ended I decided to stop going to class but last February I came back and we agreed to me paying $10 per an hour class and I went 3 times a week .
He mentioned throughout class sporadically that by paying daily I was paying more. Paying this way meant that I would not owe him any money and make it unlikely that I would be treated like a thief. This should have ended any issue about debt.

Last Friday I wanted to ask him if it was okay to come more days a week for the $30 I was paying a week especially since he has told me that I was paying more for than other people that paid monthly for the same amount of days per week. For some reason he got defensive and aggressive. He accused me of trying to run his school. It was a simple question. But he wouldn't listen to me he kept telling me what I was saying and asking then he started badgering with questions like he was trying to trap me. He was insecure, impatient, angry, petty and more worried about his position rather than how to use it constructively. I actually had $200.00 ready to pay him that day for a different program but because of his temper I never got a chance to mention it and since then I blew the money. There was a moment in that exchange while we were on the training floor that he pointed angrily at me and said that I was getting on his nerves for everyone to see. I calmly suggested that we go to his office then eventually he angrily told he didn't want me as a student but me trying to go out of my way to be polite I convinced him to reconsider. He even told me angrily that he wanted to go home rather than to talk to be in a 'get out of my face manner'. It took some effort just to get him to show me his rates. And we never talked about receipts but tomorrow I will buy a receipt book and make receipts for every transaction we make and maybe have him sign them. I guess if he doesn't like that I need reconsider his program which is a shame because I want to learn Wing Chun more than any other art.

From your story 2 things really stood out to me.

1. Your sensei is an insecure and greedy fellow, I suggest leaving the whole program.

2. All of you guys seem to be paying enormous amounts for your classes. I mean 85$ per month for three classes? They must be teaching you very well for an amount like that.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 2:47 am

From your story 2 things really stood out to me.

1. Your sensei is an insecure and greedy fellow, I suggest leaving the whole program.

2. All of you guys seem to be paying enormous amounts for your classes. I mean 85$ per month for three classes? They must be teaching you very well for an amount like that.
Maybe prices are better in Canada? Most places I've seen are 100ish or over.

I did make a good deal with my new gym though... about half that amount.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:04 pm

Maybe prices are better in Canada? Most places I've seen are 100ish or over.

I did make a good deal with my new gym though... about half that amount.

Yeah that could be it, though I've heard everything in the US is cheaper. Then again, I don't really go to private gyms (community/cultural centers work better for me) so maybe it costs a lot here too.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:16 am

Dont be hard on yourself, unless you've choked a man to death theres no shame in breaking something on someone when its a life or death self defense situation. I've broken a mans arm in self defense, feeling the pop and seeing his pain was not a problem for me because he intended to hurt or possibly kill me so i was happy to incapacitate him before he got the chance...

I agree that grappling is a factor in fights but im trying to strenghten my striking so i dont have to wrestle. Im not a jujitsu expert and a novice aikido student so i try to avoid a situation where size is a factor....i think thats why bruce lee didnt grapple much but at 130lbs he could drop you with a single strike
Please don't say that, I don't want people to assume I might of killed someone. Technically I didn't, there were a few minutes maybe 1 to 3 where I was in doubt if I did or not but he pulled through in the end.
This was during my formative years when I was forced to live with a gangmember/paroledconvict I didn't see eye to eye with him on many things, and he himself did many things that could of got him in deep water but he always thought if he layed a hand on me he would be going back to prison.
He threatened me quite often that if he couldn't do it himself he'd get his slightly-older-slightly-bigger than me relative of his to do it for him. One day I thought I was home by myself when into my room comes strolling slightly-older-slightly-bigger than me guy and he told me on no uncertain terms what was about to happen. It was basically enevitable but it's still a massive shock when you can't detect a breath or pulse from someone. Never seen him again after that but heard down the graqe vine he got married and had kids. So happy ending I guess.

I think Bruce Lee was around 150 pound range. Considering he had his back broken in a fight with someone of comparable skill I wouldn't count on trying to knock someone out with one hit. I can't talk much though Bruce Lee probably could of hung me out to dry.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:47 pm

I think Bruce Lee was around 150 pound range. Considering he had his back broken in a fight with someone of comparable skill I wouldn't count on trying to knock someone out with one hit. I can't talk much though Bruce Lee probably could of hung me out to dry.

Pretty heavy for his height eh? I mean how tall is the guy, 5 feet? I'm 6'1 and 185. He was a great fighter indeed. However, he IS NOT AS GOOD AS CHUCK NORRIS NO MATTER WHAT! :P
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:26 am

Pretty heavy for his height eh? I mean how tall is the guy, 5 feet? I'm 6'1 and 185. He was a great fighter indeed. However, he IS NOT AS GOOD AS CHUCK NORRIS NO MATTER WHAT! :tongue:
i think he was 5'6" and 1/2 and was around 135. At his heaviest about 165 with weightlifting and low as about 120 for his Enter the Dragon movie so he could look more ripped/defined.

I'm about 6'3" 1/2 and weigh from 165 to 170. It's hard for me to keep on weight, but I was planning on getting to a 175ish range.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:40 pm

I'm about 6'3" 1/2 and weigh from 165 to 170. It's hard for me to keep on weight, but I was planning on getting to a 175ish range.

:blink: How do you pull that off? I used to think I was lean (I am compared top the guys on my rugby team) but this kinda busted my misconception.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:53 pm

:blink: How do you pull that off? I used to think I was lean (I am compared top the guys on my rugby team) but this kinda busted my misconception.
Maybe my body has slimmer proportions? :shrug: Also I try to keep any foods that might be bad for me out my diet, and I'm not much a meat eater, but I do try to make sure to eat a lot. When I'm not working out my appetite goes down even more.

I remember seeing one boxer on TV that was really good at about 5'10" 120 lbs, but he was a younger guy too.

I'll be fighting tomarrow in a Muay Thai fight too, Not professional, so there's no elbows or knees to the face allowed. This will be like my 8th fight.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:23 pm

Maybe my body has slimmer proportions? :shrug: Also I try to keep any foods that might be bad for me out my diet, and I'm not much a meat eater, but I do try to make sure to eat a lot. When I'm not working out my appetite goes down even more.

I remember seeing one boxer on TV that was really good at about 5'10" 120 lbs, but he was a younger guy too.

I'll be fighting tomarrow in a Muay Thai fight too, Not professional, so there's no elbows or knees to the face allowed. This will be like my 8th fight.

Good luck mate! :thumbsup:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:58 am

Good luck mate! :thumbsup:
Thanks.

It didn't go well though, it ended in the first round. At fisrt there was no match-up for me, so I thought I wasn't fighting, but then when the fights were almost going to start, another guy comes and my trainer from the gym tells me he's the guy I could fight, so they set up a fight for us. He was a jiu jistu guy who said he was new to the whole kickboxing thing, and we were ones of the first to fight, so there wasn't much time for me to get back in the mindset. I was in the ring only like 15 min later. I fought pretty well, except I needed to move or block when he through hook punches to my face after weaving out of the way of my kicks. I just watched his foot movement when I needed to try something. Maybe I was too nervous at the start. The referee had to check two times to see if I was okay and then stopped it, though I think he should have let it go a little more. They were being extra careful this time and didn't want anyone getting hurt too badly.

I'm going to try another fight at a different place in two weeks, because I don't want to wait 2 months for another fight at the gym I just fought, which is actually the place I used to train at. I think it gets harder to get back into it when there's a lot of time in between. I was also kind of sick 3 days before my fight, but I mostly recovered, and I had to take 2 weeks off when my leg was swollen really badly around my knee before. I was still doing as much I could after that, and in pretty good shape. I weighed in 163, and the guy I fought said he was 170.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:15 pm

Is boxing a good choice for self-defence? Give me your thoughts, please :smile:
edit: sorry, didn't read the first post carefully
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:09 pm

Is boxing a good choice for self-defence? Give me your thoughts, please :smile:
edit: sorry, didn't read the first post carefully

It's cool man, this thread doesn't get much action so feel free to talk about boxing too. I'd say it's a great choice for self-defense, you really learn how to clock someone and stay safe, but also try to learn some ground fighting techniques along with it.
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