[Dina Boudreau]

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1203178-lulzsecs-lulz/ was closed, so I figured I'd open this one for discussion to continue.

Sorry if you guys didn't want it or something... lol.

[Jeff Tingler]

Last "big development": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13859868

[sam]

well they have sure caused a lot of problems, and hit our defenses where we obviously least expected them to. I give them kudos for lasting as long as they have!

:foodndrink:

CHEERS!!!! May your empire increase and the jail time be sweet!

[Budgie]

well they have sure caused a lot of problems, and hit our defenses where we obviously least expected them to. I give them kudos for lasting as long as they have!

:foodndrink:

CHEERS!!!! May your empire increase and the jail time be sweet!

:celebration: :foodndrink: :celebration:


I can't believe they decided to launch an anti-government campaign. What's the point?

[IM NOT EASY]

Good, any sort of updates on our side is great news!

[BlackaneseB]

Twitter links:

http://twitter.com/#!/th3j35t3r - an anti-LulzSec, pro-government hackitivist

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec - obvious

[josie treuberg]

I seriously doubt lulzsec even has any real leader ship, they are just a group of hackers. they probably haven't met each other. and thats probably why they are preceivably behaving strange and erratic.

[Andrea Pratt]

Sorry if you guys didn't want it or something... lol.

If we lock a thread for hitting 200 and we don't want a new iteration we'll let people know.

(It would be rather unfair if we didn't tell people)

[Anna S]

:celebration: :foodndrink: :celebration:


I can't believe they decided to launch an anti-government campaign. What's the point?

Same old same old. It's their version of sticking it to the man.

In vietnam it was burning draft cards
In 1969 it was woodstock
Now it is running an anti-government campaign over the interwebz.

[rolanda h]

hmmm, from that last pastebin jester put up it almost looks like a typical bad guy group of throwing each other in front of the bus

[Lou]

I seriously doubt lulzsec even has any real leader ship, they are just a group of hackers. they probably haven't met each other. and thats probably why they are preceivably behaving strange and erratic.

Well, the computers sending out their tweets were tracked to Palo Alto, California.

However, their "request-a-hack" hotline had the area code for the Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area.

So, :shrug:

If we lock a thread for hitting 200 and we don't want a new iteration we'll let people know.

(It would be rather unfair if we didn't tell people)

Thanks

[Jennifer Munroe]

Well with their IRC channel exposed and weakened, and multiple groups/people out for them, I'd say that the noose is tightening around their necks faster and faster.

[ANaIs GRelot]

The FBI has literally taken servers (as in, went in there and actually took the machines) that are connected to LulzSec, they are starting to see each other as a possible threat to their continued existance (they've narced two of their own who wanted to bail to the police,) anti-hacking hackers (at least one white-hat hacker and a seperate group) have started to hit them, and one of their own has been arrested... well, they're probably gonna completely fail as a group by August, if not earlier.

The candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long, and these guys are a frickin' lighthouse in the hacker community.

[Wayland Neace]

Same old same old. It's their version of sticking it to the man.

In vietnam it was burning draft cards
In 1969 it was woodstock
Now it is running an anti-government campaign over the interwebz.

But woodstock was during Vietnam...

Anywho, the nice 300 pound men in prison will love their new bunk-mates.

[Deon Knight]

Same old same old. It's their version of sticking it to the man.

In vietnam it was burning draft cards
In 1969 it was woodstock
Now it is running an anti-government campaign over the interwebz.

woodstock wasn't anti government, it was about music and love and peace.

[Love iz not]

Well, the computers sending out their tweets were tracked to Palo Alto, California.

However, their "request-a-hack" hotline had the area code for the Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area.

So, :shrug:



Thanks

Both phones and internet can be bounced around and redirected. Couple that with the fact that different members probably run those different services and live in very different locations, and that evidence amounts to very little until they can be traced to their origins. I wouldn't be surprised if their Twitter account was accessed through 7 proxies. In fact, I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

The key to actually finding the whole group is to catch a few members and then make them talk. Otherwise, you'll only manage to make a few arrests, they have little jail time, and the other members of the group drop off the face of the earth until everyone forgets about them. At that point I suspect the members among them who do all the hacking will turn into what LulzSec stated that they were attempting to warn us against, the hackers who fish through your data without anyone noticing a thing. The others, i.e. the vocal ones who aren't hackers, will probably regroup as Anonymous and continue trying to further their own agenda, because the LulzSec name is too obvious and Anonymous has power in numbers.

Though I hate to suggest that the authorities act on a whim, they really need to be fast when it comes to their actions, not deliberate. Evidence can be disposed of rather easily on a computer, a lot of time is wasted tracking people down, and you can't give them time to anticipate your arrival, otherwise it becomes much harder to actually convict them. A lot of controversy was generated during the FBI raids on members of Anonymous who participated in the DDoS spree in defense of Wikileaks, but it was rather effective and unexpected. They managed to catch many people involved, and the suddenness of it prevented them from disposing of evidence, which two members in particular outright claimed they would do if they had enough time.

They have at least 1 member of LulzSec in custody at the present. Like it was suspected, they are active in Britain. On the American side, they need to work with the British officials to track and find the remaining members who are undoubtedly in both countries at least. There are probably more all over Europe and possibly in Canada. I'd guess maybe there could be more in some tiny out-of-the-way country of no significance, but I think it'd be a waste of time trying to find them in nations that don't even have extradition treaties with the US. As a result of these hacks, there will probably be a political call to pass more legislation that would create a tighter, less private internet. Everyone suffers in the end I guess. In my opinion, the only legislation that needs to be passed is an international organization tasked with tracking internet criminals worldwide, rather than leaving it up to each independent nation to handle by themselves.

[lolly13]

woodstock wasn't anti government, it was about music and love and peace.

And it should be pretty obvious that the government was about hatred, war, and ..... deafness. :confused:

[Farrah Barry]

woodstock wasn't anti government, it was about music and love and peace.

Actually, if you were to look at the logistics it was much more about pure profit.


Now back to the topic at hand...

[Lisa Robb]

And it should be pretty obvious that the government was about hatred, war, and ..... deafness. :confused:

thats based on perspective, and even still, thats not anti govt. thats just anti hatred, war and deafness. if that defines the govt back then thats coincidence.

Actually, if you were to look at the logistics it was much more about pure profit.


Now back to the topic at hand...

well wood stock wasn't about one thing. it was big, alot of people showed up and most of the people that tried to label it as something specific (or contextualize it) were not even there. which is why I said it wasn't anti govt. I see woodstock as of a convention much in the way comic con or E3 is a convention. people say that E3 is all about games and console expos, but that isn't what E3 is specificly for.

and I think in a weird way lulzsec has become something like that (not a social relevence like woodstock was or became) in the sense that as a group they had people vote for who they were going to hack next. they did not as an organization have a singular goal, a mission statement. I don't think lulzsec is falling apart because they struck to many big targets and make enemies, but that their biggest flaw is that they aren't really a hacking organization as much as a collection of indeviduals.

[Zosia Cetnar]

These are immature geeks that haven't really spent a lot of time in the real world. They are attention-starved and angry at the "evil governments and corporations" because those entities are a mystery to these douches. Since they don't understand them, they listen to bad music or read up on "cool, hip" bloggers that are also naive, young, and angry at the world. And their perceptions are warped and of bad information. They got beat up a lot in high school, were outcast, or both. So, they REBEL! REBEL!

They scream for attention with their moronic twitter feed and they get it (mostly from ignorant kids that haven't graduated high school yet). "YEAH! YOU GUYS ROCK!" This little club is like the Jonas Brothers of the computer geek community. So here's what's going to happen:

1. Eventually they'll do something actually serious. As of now they haven't been apprehended because they're lower on the FBI's priority list than jewelry store shop-lifters. Take a step back and ask yourself: have they TRULY hurt anyone significantly? NO. They've committed some petty crimes, sure...but nothing worth the effort to bring them in YET. And since a few of them are in the US, one is in Canada, one is in Sweden, and I think one is in the Netherlands, it's too expensive to put them in jail relative to what they have done.

2. When they DO get caught they will crack like fresh eggs. Keep in mind these are immature, weak, attention-starved, pudgy little boys. They hide behind computers because they can't hack it (no pun intended) in the real world. In real life they are easily intimidated and probably couldn't negotiate their way, or punch their way out of a tissue-paper bag. A 5 minute interrogation session on any one of them will yield the names, addresses, and all the pertinent data of the rest of them...in addition to a steamy puddle of urine on the interrogation room floor.

3. They will serve a few months in jail, and get a year or two of probation. During this time they will lay low or perhaps serve some sort of ankle bracelet tracking device to ensure they don't touch computers.

4. When their sentences are fully served they will either go back to what they know an do it quietly, or learn to actually be productive members of society. But they probably will never make it big in either case. I predict some low-level IT job for the rest of their lives, making a modest salary, living in a small apartment, and they will each die alone, having never touched female genitalia since the day they were born.

[Britta Gronkowski]

These are immature geeks that haven't really spent a lot of time in the real world. They are attention-starved and angry at the "evil governments and corporations" because those entities are a mystery to these douches. Since they don't understand them, they listen to bad music or read up on "cool, hip" bloggers that are also naive, young, and angry at the world. And their perceptions are warped and of bad information. They got beat up a lot in high school, were outcast, or both. So, they REBEL! REBEL!

They scream for attention with their moronic twitter feed and they get it (mostly from ignorant kids that haven't graduated high school yet). "YEAH! YOU GUYS ROCK!" This little club is like the Jonas Brothers of the computer geek community. So here's what's going to happen:

1. Eventually they'll do something actually serious. As of now they haven't been apprehended because they're lower on the FBI's priority list than jewelry store shop-lifters. Take a step back and ask yourself: have they TRULY hurt anyone significantly? NO. They've committed some petty crimes, sure...but nothing worth the effort to bring them in YET. And since a few of them are in the US, one is in Canada, one is in Sweden, and I think one is in the Netherlands, it's too expensive to put them in jail relative to what they have done.

2. When they DO get caught they will crack like fresh eggs. Keep in mind these are immature, weak, attention-starved, pudgy little boys. They hide behind computers because they can't hack it (no pun intended) in the real world. In real life they are easily intimidated and probably couldn't negotiate their way, or punch their way out of a tissue-paper bag. A 5 minute interrogation session on any one of them will yield the names, addresses, and all the pertinent data of the rest of them...in addition to a steamy puddle of urine on the interrogation room floor.

3. They will serve a few months in jail, and get a year or two of probation. During this time they will lay low or perhaps serve some sort of ankle bracelet tracking device to ensure they don't touch computers.

4. When their sentences are fully served they will either go back to what they know an do it quietly, or learn to actually be productive members of society. But they probably will never make it big in either case. I predict some low-level IT job for the rest of their lives, making a modest salary, living in a small apartment, and they will each die alone, having never touched female genitalia since the day they were born.

:rofl: #4 made me spit coffee on my monitor, thanks alot!

[Katharine Newton]

wow this thread suddenly got uneccesarily angry and attacky, all of those things are things already assume so I don't see why they need to be pointed out in such a vehement way. :shrug: we already knew.

[Sarah Edmunds]

Looks like their cohorts hit Brazil's gov.

[Clea Jamerson]

:celebration: :foodndrink: :celebration:


I can't believe they decided to launch an anti-government campaign. What's the point?

Someone on here once said they're nothing more than "nerds on a power trip" pretty much sums them up if you ask me

[Nitol Ahmed]

Someone on here once said they're nothing more than "nerds on a power trip" pretty much sums them up if you ask me

That seems to be a popular description for this situation.