I don't know a great deal about lore I've only recently been trying to learn it, but there is one thing I found that I don't understand. Talos has the dragonblood and is believed to be a direct descendant of akatosh who is a divine. So why do the Thalmor think he is not worthy of being a divine himself?

Read the in-game book "The Monomyth". Humans and Mer have different theories for where they come from. The Main Quest kind of hinges on this distinction.

Talos is a divine. The most people (including the thalmor) who do not believe Talos is a god are either ignorant, have been siezed by propaganda, or are denying it. The Thalmor refuse to accept that a Man (and not a Mer) could've ascended into godhood.

And the Aldmer are a bunch of pointy eared stretch faces who are only good for axe blunting.

I think it is a reference to the real life religious wars in the past. Skyrim is trying to re-enact that in the game to a certain degree. The Thalmor probably consider Talos worship as heretical.

Other more knowledgeable people have also found out that the Thalmor think that Mer are superior to Man and their minds just cannot grasp that a mere human can ascend to become godhood.

So as part of their peace treaty, the Aldmeri Dominion force Skyrim to stop worshipping Talos. It's "almost" like force-conversion of religion, but not quite.

So it can be either a political or religious motive.

Long story short, he was once a human. The way religions work in TES makes the Mer right that he isn't one, but at the same time because man think he is one - he is.

So the divines didn't make him so but it was man that worshipped him and considered him to be divine. I understand how the Thalmor would get so angry if this is the case.

Well... he also did a few things to help his case, mantaling a god is complecated... I'm not really the best guy to explain it. You'd get better answers in the lore section.

we have got such as these kind of believes in our world. in our country for example; some kind of religions are forbidden. it's about the power my friend not anything else!

' "Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you.", that was taken from a discussion on whether or not the Nerevarine of Morrowind really was the Nerevarine and intended to be it, or managed to become the Nerevarine by doing what the Nerevarine was supposed to.

Tiber Septim walked the first road, and it's up for debate whether the Nerevarine of Morrowind was also a case of Mantling.

Anyways, the Thalmor want to unmake the world to ascend to a higher plane of existence; my grasp on their belief is that altmer were gods before the gods created the world and see mortality an insult to them, and want to get back to their 'original' state. Now, my knowledge is very loose and possibly wrong, but they want to stop worship of Talos because, nominally, he's the god holding Nirn together, and wiping out belief in him means he will lose strength/cease to exist, and allow the Thalmor to achieve their goal of genocide.

Right, and while Beth has certainly capitalized on familiar historical themes of religious intolerance.... don't read too much into it. I don't believe the devs are trying to make any kind of profound statement about our own world. They want the mythology of TES to stand on it's own.

Hes a man and thalmor want to enslave or kill every race other then themselves

I agree, I just wanted to compare the situation not the believing.

I don't think that being granted the Dragon Blood by Akatosh makes Tiber Septim/Talos a descendant of Akatosh, but it is possible and a cool idea that I could run with.

The Aldmeri Dominion is jealous that a man and not a mer conquered the continent and then, on top of putting the ass-whooping on 8 other provinces (including Summurset), he ascends to godhood to be Akatosh's right-hand man.

Talos is obviously a Divine, otherwise he couldn't have blessed the Divine Crusader in KotN nor could he have blessed Dovahkiin at shrines

Talos is a mere idol worshiped by heretics in Tamriel who should all be burnt along with their non sense theology books.

That's about it. The best argument I heard concerning Talos' divinity was when you do the Blood of the Divines quest in Oblivion and

Always love an excuse to paste some MK :


To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.
To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

and :


"Or the number could be more Lorkhanic nonsense; that is, convenient for Man.
"The Ysmir line is dead and so is His stranglehold on the mythic.
"A single Wheel? More like a Telescope that stretches all the way back to the Eye of the Anui-El, with Padomaics innumerable along its infinite walls.
"We're coming for you in every one of your quarters, Sons of Talos. None shall survive."

To the Thalmor, Talos is Padomaic in nature. Whether he is an aspect of Lorkhan, or an aspect of an Akatosh debased by being bound by the Doom Drums deception, is almost moot. He is the figurehead of man, who they view as creatures almost of chaos.
Remember to them the world only exists to satisfy Lorkhan's selfishness, and perhaps from a Thalmor viewpoint, humanity is selfish in nature by merely existing. How could a series of brief, finite lives that get snuffed out and disappear be more important than keeping immortal spirits, descendants of the gods, from achieving immortality and true freedom in the infinite?

Talos is Padomaic in nature? Tiber Septim didn't get made a god because of his fine works. He made himself part of the Talos over-soul through greed, self belief and the destruction of those who disagreed with him, or even those Tamrielic nobles who were neutral rather than his supporters. It's the Elder Scrolls, the greatest heroes are not the nicest people, just ask Whitestrake.

I've heard that it's not just because the Thalmor believe mer are superior to men. The plan of the Thalmor is for the mer to take back their immortality. To do this they musst destroy men and end the world. To destroy man they have waged wars against them. But to utterly defeat them they know they must also destroy their human god. They only deny Talos' existence because it is needed for their ultimate goal. Atleast, that's what I figure.

the argument i got from one of their justice crews was "to worship a man as god is an afront to our beliefs" my reply was an afront to his supposed immortaiity.

Basically the Thalmor believe before the mortal plane was created they were spirits like the gods, just weaker. Then when the mortal plane was created it locked them into mortality, meaning when they die their spirits ceases to exist. This is the only way to destroy them fully and they believe they're being murdered by being mortal. So they want to undo the creation of the mortal plane. This will kill everything mortal, so that means all men, Hist and possibly Khajiit.

Talos is a good but not just a man, he basically became a god together with possible some other men, by doing what the god Talos shoudl've done. By doing what he did, walking his walk they pretty much became him. This is pretty vague lore but the way I read it there certain destinies and if you stick to one enough you become that person.

Men's faith in him becoming a god, being a god etc fortifies the mortal plane and men's existance and are therefor a threat to the Thalmor plans. So that's why they outlaw it. They basically believe to survive men, an inferior creature, has to die.

There are still 4 other human deiities, so it makes this argument nonsense. Zenithar is also believed to have been a mortal at one stage.

Talos is only a common man so there is no reason for calling him a god. The only ppl who call him god are those who try to glorify men instead of accepting that mer are superior in all ways

Seeing as Talos is the apotheosis of Tiber septim, Zurin Arctus and Ysmir Wulfharth, already more than a common man. The Mer don't give a damn whether it was of Man once, that's merely their paper thin justification. The real reason is the cotinued existence of Talos has the same effect as Lorkhan being up and about, alive, well, and keeping 'I' from ceasing to be.

This may be so, but Talos is the enantiomorph, the mirror-brother, of Lorkhan.
He is a re-affirmation of creation, a spoke in the wheel.

all of them overrated in order to glorify men