afternoon,
(or morning or evening depending on where you live)

id just like to underline a fact, please discuss if oyu dissagree

the thalmore cannot win, heres why (in an irritateing way)

if the thalmore win,
other races=dead,
this means the elderscroll games are gone,
dead,
finished,
poof.

and beth have no reason to do that, they make a ton of money out of these games, theres simply no reason why they would kill a booming enterprise,the thalmore obby didnt check there economics ,

heres another thing- if beth had left the end of the ob mq on a cliffhanger, if they had never mentioned the ammy of kings then everybody would of been like "oooh tamriel is doomed" and "oooh i hate beth"- yet ta da! martain rushes in with his amazeing soloution- bless his soul

what i am wondering is how the human races will defeat the elven rabble, in the lore it says that titus mede is murdered, which mean the empire is critically weak, theres basically no reason now why the thalmore wouldont attack cyrodill, hammerfell and blackmarsh wouldnt help the empire is there lives depneded on it, and skyirm is in a civil war at the moment-ow and morrowind has failed-high rock wouldnt be able to help much because morrowind and hammerfell hate the guts of the empire- and its a big risk going through skyrim.

the only way the thalmore will fall is if there is exterior influance, and i have a hunch that its goign to be the sloads that tip the war in the empires favour.

if the sloads suddenly attcked summerset isle, and all was forgiven with hammerfell, there would be a big chance the empire would win the war.

anyway, please post and grovel and "i absouloutly disaggree" !

fisher

You don't know that. AD won the war against the empire, and I see every one there in Skyrim. If anyone plays the extermination of race games it would be the Falmers or the Nords.

While I agree with the fact that Thalmor cannot win, your argument is pretty much like saying "I know that in TV shows the bad guys will not win, because that would mean the good guys die and the show can't go on."

The Thalmor can't win for other reasons... in my opinion they just do not have the manpower to fight the whole world. Remember, they have the longest lifespan but they also reproduce slowest. While the empire lost the Great War, it will take human races only a couple of decades to regain their numbers while Altmer would need several centuries for that.

Also, there's the fact, that not every Altmer is a Thalmor and they don't really want every other race destroyed.

Also, that's a bit off topic, but I wonder how would the Thalmor do against the Hist...

But AD consists of Altmer and Bosmer, and they'll also have knowledge of Dwemer Artifacts as did Men when they crushed the Original Thalmor movement.

I'd say men are in for a tough time.

My understanding is that the only reason for Hammerfell and Skyrim's shaky diplomatic relations with the Empire is the Empire's shaky alliance with the Aldmeri Dominion. If the Empire turns against the Thalmor - which seems inevitable - I don't think the Redguards and Nords would have any hesitations about forming an alliance and including the Empire. Yes, there may still be some bad blood between them, but the threat posed by their common enemy would far outweigh any residual grudges.

But the Thalmors now control most high societies of Redguards as well. So what makes you think they're going to join the Nords?

Its called DLC or in other Didn't incLude Content [thatshouldabeenthereinthefirstplace]

they are going to give us the opportunity to fight the thalmor head on. later.

Why are you under the impression that the Redguards are controlled by the Thalmor?

The Redguards resented the WGC and even more that the empire abandoned their provence to the Thalmor. They fought the Thalmor and drove them out. An allince between them and the rebellious Nords seems the natural and logical thing to do.

I'm not terrible far into Skyrim yet and havnt invested any time in the novels just yet in this TES, but doesnt Kematu say the redguards rebeelion against the Aldmeri Dominion is alive and well?

i was under the impression they where pretty much fine.



so very, very Badly my gues is you do not no matter how powerfull you think you are do not take on an army of united and very angry Argonians.


If that sentence is true in the Lore (currently is tagged a legend/myth status) what made the Aldmer flee there land? that there could be the very answer in defying them.

I love revisiting the Thalmor Embassy occasionally to wipe out Thalmor. Hate those snobby aristocrats.

Good idea. I didn't know you could do that.

People should get to choose whether or not they side with them.

With that being said:

The accursed Dunmer and Orsimer deserve to be eradicated for their insults to the gods.
The Khajiit are criminals (and they do a real good job of showing that in the game) and all around worthy of death.
The Nords would do the same things to the Khajiit, Argonians, the true Mer, and the cursed races.
The Imperials are cowards who betrayed their folk, so they deserve punishment.

Elven Supremacy is the only truth.

What about the aldmeri insults to Lorkhan(They do believe he's a god)

Also what Orsimer insults are you referring to?

And yet you exclude most Mer with that statement. Hell, you even exclude other Altmer.




Most likely their worship of Malacath

How is that insulting?

The Aldmer shunned the Chimer (Dunmer) when they turned to Daedra worship so the same is said about the Orcs.

ow wow some nice posts from people, nice to see the interest in the subject

still, the bottom line is beth aint gonna destroy a sucessfull enterprize , not in our ecnomic climate....so the thalmore will never ultimatley win

I seem to recall the altmer turning to daedra worship during the Oblivion crisis.

The Altmer wizards did battle against the forces of Mehrunes Dagon. AND against the Empire at the same time.

Agreed, though we should prepare for a more long-term occupation by finding allies among the locals.. The Nords could fit this well, if persuaded enough (read: kill everyone who opposes our rule)


Yes as with the Enclave I start referring to the Thalmor as "us".

True, but Daedra means "not our ancestors" in Aldmeri, so Daedra worship has traditionally been seen as heresy.

Erm...http://www.imperial-library.info/content/rising-threat.

Oblivion crisis was over in 4e1. The act of secession was 4e22.

Look, the empire may have been conquered by Tiber Septim and his Giant Death Robot, but it was kept alive for a long time by diplomacy as well as force. The Aldmeri Dominion is [censored] at diplomacy; they have been mass-producing enemies. Simple logic says they will get theirs "soon." (Relatively speaking, its all nearby.)

you know what the empire should of done a long time ago? befriended the mudcrabs and their giant mudcrab king ( OB) , thalmore wouldnt of stood a chance then.

or ( serious now), they could of enslaved the goblin tribes and forced them to attck thalmore outpots

Atm the Thalmor can't lose
They currently control Summerset Isles, Valenwood and Elsweyr
Argonia and Morrowind are both out of the reckoning for the moment
Although Hammerfall is still independent its bitterly resentful of the Empire and unlikely to rush to its aid
A long civil war in Skyrim would doubtless suit the Thalmor best but they win whatever the result
If the Empire wins many of its troops will be tied down occupying Skyrim
If the Stormcloaks win they won't be launching any crusades against the Aldmeri Dominion. Sure, they want the Thalmor out, but they also tell you they are tired of fighting the Empires wars. A Stormcloak Skyrim would be a xenophobic isolationist state, almost as hostile to the Empire as to the Aldmeri. In that event the Empire would inevitably be even more of a puppet to the Aldmeri who would also be free to move against Hammerfall knowing Hammerfall had no viable allies left