The Traveler's Tavern V : Othor Games

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:54 pm

No, I don't pronounce the "T" either. It's "wa'uh" to me. Glottal stops tend to be used in place of a lot of consonants here.

I think quite a few places do it in the north, I know Warrington does and Leeds. I find it really irritating.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:19 pm

Pretty much. We were unimportant, got our monarchy ended by England, and have been under them for so long we just stopped caring.
Languange is pretty much dead too (aside from up north, but they have a different dialect), beating children for speaking Welsh in their own damn country, tends to have negative effects like that.
Oh and then we had our mines [censored] up, by a certain [censored] of a PM, so economicly we cant do jack [censored].

Wales has no real future, it will just continue its meaningless, dull existance.

At least when nuclear war rains on the world Wales will be a safe haven

That certain PM can burn in her fire drenched pit

Somebody from the UK: tell me what a "ned" is!

Ned is the Scottish term for a ~~ned~~, yob, hooligan, [censored], wannabe kiddie gangster.
But really its an acronym (N.E.D) for http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/9/d9cb0d59-b51e-4eed-8ff7-a841eeef319c.jpg. Though really nowadays it refers to anyone part of the gang culture here.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:57 pm

Fortunately, most of us aren't ignorant enough to judge someone by their accent.

You know I <3 you lot really

Even you, Turns. A little bit.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:41 pm

There's not really such a thing as a "standard" or "neutral" accent, it all depends on the perspective of the listener. I imagine people from any region might describe their own accent as "neutral" as that's how it sounds to them... and I have heard just that on a number of occasions, something that can be extremely odd depending on how far removed their accent is from something I'm familiar with.

Well, I have a generic southern accent then. Quite like a BBC news reader if you will. You wouldn't be able to place my accent to anywhere in the south. Whereas accents like Essix, Cockney, Brummie, Scouse accents are all a lot more distinctive.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:24 am

Ehh, in the US there's a 'general consensus' accent. It's considered rather plain, compared to unique dialects, like Southern Dialect, which aside from 'Ya'll' I don't use many Southern colloquialisms, courtesy of a mother from the North. ( I admittedly find Southern accents to be 'bumpkin'.)

Ya'll don't change the ' lat bub ' when it suddenly goes dark at night ?

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:46 am

I love the southern American accent. It's awesome!

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:46 pm

I love the southern American accent. It's awesome!

It don't get much more Southern sounding than this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv_NCpHRZCc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLA221559656FEF787

That's genuine DEEP Mississippi... :tongue:

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:29 am

I think quite a few places do it in the north, I know Warrington does and Leeds. I find it really irritating.

Heh, I was at uni in Liverpool with a girl from Warrington. I thought her accent was really cute. :tongue:

How do scousers say it? War-teh?

My cousins have a mum from Chorley and a dad from Liverpool. So the children sound like they're from Garswood.

Well, I have a generic southern accent then. Quite like a BBC news reader if you will. You wouldn't be able to place my accent to anywhere in the south. Whereas accents like Essix, Cockney, Brummie, Scouse accents are all a lot more distinctive.

Is it just me or do newsreaders not actually use the RP accent any more? They all speak with a broader estuary accent that I like to think of as "Westminster Cockney" because it tends to be spoken by politicians trying to big up their working class credentials. Think Hugh Edwards or Tony Blair.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:16 pm

I know what you mean. I still say "Wa'er" and stuff, upon occasion. It's just a normal southern middle class accent I think. I don't try and make it ghetto like some idiots I know.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:09 pm

A few weeks ago, I was talking to my barber, who's English, and we both agreed that South Africans generally have better pronunciation than their UK counterparts.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:09 pm

A few weeks ago, I was talking to my barber, who's English, and we both agreed that South Africans generally have better pronunciation than their UK counterparts.

I think it may be that Afrikaans is a very sharp, methodical language, so they're more used to enunciating than the English, who have a lot of french influence.

Or it may be that you didn't get TV until the 70s, so the influence of American slurred speech was not as strong.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:09 pm

Do you say "yah" after every word Oof? :lol:

One of my brother's best friends is a real Afrikaner, I always end up imitating his accent when he comes round. I love a good South African accent.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:55 pm

I think it may be that Afrikaans is a very sharp, methodical language, so they're more used to enunciating than the English, who have a lot of french influence.

That's true, but there are also many English descendants here, and they, too, enunciate their English better than do their UK counterparts. It seems to be that there is just less regional variation than occurs in the UK. Which is quite odd, considering the size of the country...

Do you say "yah" after every word Oof? :lol:

One of my brother's best friends is a real Afrikaner, I always end up imitating his accent when he comes round. I love a good South African accent.

I do! By the way, "yah", from what I know, is also very "properly" English! :biggrin:

I notice Stephen Fry, university staff, UK nobles and sophisticated little old English ladies use it a lot. 'Course, it's also very Afrikaans. :tongue:

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:50 pm

That's true, but there are also many English descendants here, and they, too, enunciate their English better than do their UK counterparts. It seems to be that there is just less regional variation than occurs in the UK. Which is quite odd, considering the size of the country...

I think the international influence of American English probably spared them. If you look at films and TV in Britain from before the 60s, everyone speaks properly. The South African English just may have missed out on the damage that the English language suffered at home.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:57 pm

I do! By the way, "yah", from what I know, is also very "properly" English! :biggrin:

I notice Stephen Fry, university staff, UK nobles and sophisticated little old English ladies use it a lot. 'Course, it's also very Afrikaans. :tongue:

Yeah, Posh people say yah instead of "yeah" here. Whereas it seems like "Yah" for you guys is like "eh" for the Canadians.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:20 am

I think the international influence of American English probably spared them. If you look at films and TV in Britain from before the 60s, everyone speaks properly. The South African English just may have missed out on the damage that the English language suffered at home.

There might be something to that. I think TV arrived in South Africa in... 1973. But does 10 years really make that much of a difference to acculturation? Not sure. Interesting question.

Yeah, Posh people say yah instead of "yeah" here. Whereas it seems like "Yah" for you guys is like "eh" for the Canadians.

Yep. I get the best of both worlds.

I don't use it much online...

I really like the word!

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:03 am

I love the southern American accent. It's awesome!

I hate to tell you, but the Southern accent is exaggerated immensely in media. At the most there is some twang among us. Very few people have the stereotypical Southern accent. Then there are the variations of the Southern tongue; Appalachian, Deep Southern, Old Black Guy Who Plays A Mean Gitfiddle. Gitfiddle is slang used in Appalachia in place of guitar. Also, people from outside the Appalachian Mountains pronounce it 'apple-ace-sha' while people who were raised their pronounce it with a hard c; 'apple-atch-ia

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:11 pm

I hate to tell you, but the Southern accent is exaggerated immensely in media. At the most there is some twang among us. Very few people have the stereotypical Southern accent.

http://youtu.be/Yyc7lcGCMI0

http://youtu.be/U9iH5gMK1WI

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:43 pm

http://youtu.be/Yyc7lcGCMI0

http://youtu.be/U9iH5gMK1WI

Like I said, few people actually have that thick of an accent. If we were to speak naturally, we would all sound like that, but its been beaten into our heads so much that we shouldn't by the schools that our accents are subconsciously toned down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZf_RBcB_Y&feature=related is how thick most peoples accents are, even though the guy singing is from Wisconsin.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:59 pm

You're ruining it for me!

"I want to thank ya lord for my smokin' hot wife."

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:23 am

You're ruining it for me!

"I want to thank ya lord for my smokin' hot wife."

Here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU is what the most traditional of my people sound like. I do wish I could have been raised in a time when my accent wouldn't have been beaten out of me.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:43 pm

Another very unique accent is Cajun...from Louisiana. Lots of French influence in it.

Justin Wilson had a very famous Cajun cooking show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4umRMJlrs&feature=related

Also heard pretty thick with some on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KzeYrjfN9s...from the History Channel.

I find it to be a fascinating dialect.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:34 am

Here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU is what the most traditional of my people sound like. I do wish I could have been raised in a time when my accent wouldn't have been beaten out of me.

Awesome clip! Love that accent.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:51 pm

Heh, I was at uni in Liverpool with a girl from Warrington. I thought her accent was really cute. :tongue:

How do scousers say it? War-teh?

My cousins have a mum from Chorley and a dad from Liverpool. So the children sound like they're from Garswood. :tongue:

The wool accent is not that bad I just hate the pronunciation of water and "something". It is NOT "summert". Our pronunciation of water is dependant on the person and the place, for example in a nice place like Woolton it's like worter, nobs from somewhere like toxteth or Garston will snort then say something like woorrrrrter. I say it the posh way (I have a cool accent, I don't say chickkken), a bit like John Bishop but it doesnt sound so fake and put on.

Also, how would you find her accent cute, as opposed to a Lancashire accent? They both sound the same to me except the Warrington one is slightly more monotonous, almost like it is an effort for them to talk.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:40 am

Question to Americans - what things like 8/7c mean when it comes to TV broadcast time? It was spelled "eight-seven central" so I guess it has something to do with different time zones.