I appreciate that the elder scrolls has become a more mainstream game. It's great that more people can enjoy the worlds that Bethesada creates.

However I do not see why there cannot be a separate mode for their more hardcoe player base.

This OPTIONAL hardcoe mode could include features like

- Armour and weapon deterioration and the ability to repair it.

- The need to eat and sleep.

- More vague waypoints.

- No fast travel(inclusion of some kind of transportation spell though)

- Heavier race restrictions

etc

Maybe this could be added as a patch or even DLC that we pay for(I would pay for it)



Food for thought

Its in.

Play on Master, be a Vampire, wear cloth, don't level enchanting or smithing, and only fight with your fists.

Enjoy

Or you could turn up the difficulty, wear nothing but furs (unsmithed), eat and drink regularly, bathe regularly (don't know why that didn't make your list), not fast travel, turn off your hud, etc.

Many of these can be achieved by self-imposing restrictions within the current game.
If you're on PC, there will probably be mods out next year that give you many of the things you want.

And if you eat raw chicken, the Dragonborn spends the next week in-game either on or hugging the toilet.

You forgot that.

Hmm

I was expecting replies of a higher quality than that.

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You can turn off your HUD?

You must forgive us, this is the 100,000,000 time this topic has come up. Yes you can turn off the hud in the menu.

It would take time and money, that Bethesda isn't willing to spend on something not a lot of people will use.

In other words only mods can save the day once again.

well bethesda did not create new vegas, only published it, some people get it mixed up taking an idea directly from a developer in its exact form is illigal. i would not say mainstreamed, changed sure, not mainstreamed my idea of mainstream is alot more complicated than simply sales or content in a game so i wont go into details


i agree that armor and weaps should have durabilty specially with a smithing profession in the game, its somthing they may have overlooked. im not too angry about it though

IF a hardcoe mode did exist then eating and sleeping would be only 2 out of many factors that they could have, fatigue (stam) should drop the more tired/hungry you are, jumping increases tiredness, running makes your legs ache thus need rest, exausting yourself causes slow sword swings sloppy/slow magic casting, and crappy bow aiming. there is alot that you could factor in but as said above it wont happen

i dont get the point of vague waypoints, personally i turned them off as soon as i could move in the game to give myself a little challenge


If you are playing this on PC people will mod it, as for DLC adding a whole new difficulty option to completely change the world on how its based for the sake of char realism wont happen, it will be the usual more content like chivering isle

Yup that and when the fad gamers leave so companies can make niche (right word?) games again. Notice, on how I said fad gamers and not casual gamers, because there is a huge difference. Right now, it's socially acceptable to play games and it's popular in the mainstream media. However, this WILL not last long and people will go back to something else. A casual gamer on the other hand, is someone who is just getting into video games or as the name says play video games CASUALLY.

I would like to see a hard core mode too but they're never going to do it, or they would have from the start. It's surprising given how popular and well received it was in Fallout New Vegas, but I guess they know better.

Personally I wouldn't be that bothered about the eating and sleeping but I'd dearly love it if potions healed you slowly or had a cool down of thirty seconds. I don't like how you can just pause the game to spam potions. Personally I use the heal spell so I can't heal during combat or I must have one hand free to use mana and stamina potions.

By the way I don't think gimping yourself really addresses the issue, and besides the OP didn't even mention combat difficulty so I don't understand those comments.

Games have invaded almost every medium there is, casual gamers are not going anywhere and hardcoe elitists are just going to have to accept that.

Real cool bro...

If you expect dlc for "hardcoe" mode, just go ahead and crap in one hand and wish in the other.

See which one fills up first.

If you don't want to use the existing framework which makes this entirely made up out thin-air difficulty you aspire to play to suit some pseudo-intellectual ego possible, don't go to the forums to ask for advice.

Happy New Year.

Quite a few people play by "Dead is Dead" rules.

Saw one thread today where the players is playing by those rules at the master level.

That's dedication lol.

Like I said, there is a difference between fad and casual gamers.

they obviously knew that hardcoe would be nordlike railed upon. yet, still did not choose to give fans anything.

It's an RPG. There was nothing ever hardcoe about them compared to what "casual gamers" have been playing for years. The basic game mechanics center around hit points, of all things. You can't even get a traditional boss battle in some of these games. If you wanted hardcoe gameplay, you'd play something else entirely.

anyone that thinks horse combat is subpar needs to get his azz blasted.
two worlds has done so much for the genre and yet nobody will accept it.

the disregard of new vegas is proof alone.
the perfection i had with 2 worlds is great. bybyby your horse arguments.

there is no such thing as a "fad" gamer, The media may promote gaming as a means of entertainment but nobody plays games to get noticed or to be a part of somthing thats called posing, see theres 2 types hardcoe and casual, defining the two is a task in itself. and it boils down to time and money. see, devs dont make games to appeal to a crowd and then go back to making solid games once that trend is over, it dont work like that in the gaming industry. this aint clothes.

yeh you can turn off the HUD

Tell that to some people I know. It's a theory at least and it provides some breathing room for people just getting into gaming.

people getting into gaming would be considered casual, the amount of time and money spent justifies that, some people i know only play sports, racing, and COD games and they are considered casual.

The word "fad" is misused here, the gaming community is basically a fad in itself, a group on which gaming thrives off of both casual and hardcoe audiences. Somone who pretends to like somthing and incorperates into their daily lives are called posers. the community hasent seen many posers in its days, people dont tend to spend money on consoles or PCs just to have a sense of belonging or to get noticed

The game has been irrefutably dumbed down, or mainstreamed. W/e you want to call it. It's understandable why, but they should at least put in options for the more hardcoe fans. For example when FPS game devs dumb their sequels down, they purposefully design custom options for their more competitive crowds. That way everyone is happy(or not as upset lol).

They could maybe add this in with other DLC. A expansion type area and also include the hardcoe/survivalist mode.

and im pretty sure bethesada can use w/e they want out of obsidian's new vegas seeing as they published it and it's their IP(I think).

So, turn up the difficulty, only carry a limited supply of pots and remember to eat something at regular intervals. Most of the things you want you can self impose. Yes, you don't feel that's adequate. Sorry, you obviously can turn on a computer and type complete sentences. I fail to see why you need a big brother telling you what you can and can't do, just for challenge. When I was a kid, we purposely did that to ourselves, playing backyard foot ball and catching with only 1 hand, trying to shoot horse bind folded. The whole building up fatigue thing is a nice idea. But other than that, all these are perfectly self-imposable. Its called discipline. Apparently people have no idea what that is anymore.

I didn't. For me these things are about increased immersion, not increased difficulty.