Time is simultaneous via Alduin

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:13 pm

I can give an example with the Elder Scroll and using it to send Alduin forward in time. I'll break it down like this:

The Dragonborn brings the scroll up to the Throat of the World and begins to use the scroll, he his now looking back in time to the event of that current moment. Basically reliving the moment as it is happening exactly at the time. So eventually the older guy (not familiar with names) uses the Elder Scroll to cast Alduin forward in time, what happened next is what leads me to prove time is simultaneos via Skyrims example. The moment he casted Alduin in time is when he was instantly transported on the Throat of the World where he already was and then begins the fight of the first battle with Alduin.

Not sure what I mean? Ask away/discuss topic I'd like to see if anyone can grasp this concept.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:46 am

Are you saying the point in time right after the Dragonborn read the elder scroll is when Alduin reappeared from the past?
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:08 am

So eventually the older guy (not familiar with names) uses the Elder Scroll to cast Alduin forward in time, what happened next is what leads me to prove time is simultaneos via Skyrims example. The moment he casted Alduin in time is when he was instantly transported on the Throat of the World where he already was and then begins the fight of the first battle with Alduin.

I don't really get this part. :confused:

Do you mean it like Mathyn said? Because that's not really possible; Alduin first appeared in Helgen, not during your first fight. Besides, P'nax already warned you before you read the scroll at the Throat of the World that Alduin was coming. If so, then who is the Alduin before the one who appears at your first fight?

I've always interpreted it like some sort of telescope you're looking through, but instead of seeing what's in the far distance, you're looking at the far past. Actually, it sounds a bit like the very opposite of a telescope: with a telesope, you're looking at things in a different place but at the same time period, and with the elder scroll, you're looking at things in the same place, but at a different time period.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:37 pm

I don't really get this part. :confused:

Do you mean it like Mathyn said? Because that's not really possible; Alduin first appeared in Helgen, not during your first fight. Besides, P'nax already warned you before you read the scroll at the Throat of the World that Alduin was coming. If so, then who is the Alduin before the one who appears at your first fight?

I've always interpreted it like some sort of telescope you're looking through, but instead of seeing what's in the far distance, you're looking at the far past. Actually, it sounds a bit like the very opposite of a telescope: with a telesope, you're looking at things in a different place but at the same time period, and with the elder scroll, you're looking at things in the same place, but at a different time period.
Let's collaborate then, you're right though, he appeared in the throat of the world at the beginning of the game, when you hear the first shouts from Alduin "what was that" the people said. I beleive that to be the simultaneous shift in time, but...my point above, if reading the scroll and watching it happen as he was instantly thrown in time, he would have INSTANTLY been there at the same time, regardless of it being of the beginning of the game because it all happened at the same time.

What I mean is, you defeated Alduin then he went on to destroy helgen after the defeat at the throat of the world.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:26 am

Are you saying the point in time right after the Dragonborn read the elder scroll is when Alduin reappeared from the past?
Yes and once you defeated him up there, he went to Helgen after to destroy it, this is the part where I cant yet comprehend let me think it over on how to correlate the two.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:31 am

The time you were fighting Alduin at the Throat of the World was the same time you were getting off the carriage to be identified, and yet again he spotted the Dragonborn when he retreated towards Helgen.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:52 pm

The time you were fighting Alduin at the Throat of the World was the same time you were getting off the carriage to be identified, and yet again he spotted the Dragonborn when he retreated towards Helgen.

An interesting theory, but how do you explain my character first having exensive meetings with both ulfric and tulius and the moment the 'other' Dragonborn enters Helgen they both seem unaware of him being the Dragonborn?
Unless ofcourse there are now 2 ulfrics and 2 tulius's. But then, where do all the duplicates go? Is everything happening simultaniously only for Alduin? Is only he capable of seeing all overlapping times?

Would that mean he also sees his own destruction in Sovngard?

Am I still making sense? :P
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:58 pm

An interesting theory, but how do you explain my character first having exensive meetings with both ulfric and tulius and the moment the 'other' Dragonborn enters Helgen they both seem unaware of him being the Dragonborn?
Unless ofcourse there are now 2 ulfrics and 2 tulius's. But then, where do all the duplicates go? Is everything happening simultaniously only for Alduin? Is only he capable of seeing all overlapping times?

Would that mean he also sees his own destruction in Sovngard?

Am I still making sense? :tongue:
\Yes you are, good question, the only way to explain that is to have you draw something, a line, let it represent a timeline, like the one in a history book. It will represent everything that has been recorded in history. Now, instead of looking at it as a line like we perceive time, as something going from one side to another, connect the first point of the line with the last making a circle will be the finished product.

Whatever happened in the past or will happen in the future is actually happening now, hence why Alduin appeared at the throat of the world when you were in the carriage, it was instant, it didn't take time, since it doesn't exist. so as you were in the carriage, the man was reading the Elder Scroll.

Phsycological time is, "Oh I have go to work at this time" or "I have a doctors appointment at this time."
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:03 am

If I understand correctly such a time circle would not allow for multiple versions of me existing at the same time.
Yet that does appear to happen when I read an elder scroll, and get transported on a carriage to Helgen.
Or did I misunderstood something now?
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:22 am

If I understand correctly such a time circle would not allow for multiple versions of me existing at the same time.
Yet that does appear to happen when I read an elder scroll, and get transported on a carriage to Helgen.
Or did I misunderstood something now?
I cannot give you an answer to that due to my religous beliefs, sorry.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:26 am

I cannot give you an answer to that due to my religous beliefs, sorry.

lolwut?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:57 pm

Very interesting theorizing.... I quite like it. Time paradoxes are fun....
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:56 pm

lolwut?
^This
:lmao:

Okay pal, guess discussion's over then. Hope you had your fun with being a troll.
Was that what he was doing? I had no idea
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:38 pm

I cannot give you an answer to that due to my religous beliefs, sorry.
:lmao:

Okay pal, guess discussion's over then. Hope you had your fun with being a troll.
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