TranslateToRef and SplineTranslateToRef don't do rotation? : V

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:25 am

So, using the helpful page on the wiki here: http://www.creationkit.com/Complete_Example_Scripts#Making_a_Cool_Cut-Scene I'm trying to test out the two commands; http://www.creationkit.com/TranslateToRef_-_ObjectReferenceand http://www.creationkit.com/SplineTranslateToRef_-_ObjectReference as I'm making a trailer and using these would be perfect to get smooth camera movement and rotation. However I'm having some troubles.

First off, neither command seems to control the players rotation whatsoever. I've tried with looking enabled and disabled, and no matter what it only moves my position. It says on the wiki that it should control rotation. Am I messing something up, or is the wiki wrong?

I made a simple small cell to test this in. I have three triggers. One that simply tests a TranslateToRef from point A to B:

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 [size="1"]Scriptname AlexTestScript1 extends ObjectReference [/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point1 Auto[/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point2 Auto[/size][size="1"]Event OnTriggerEnter(ObjectReference akActionRef)[/size][size="1"]If akActionRef == Game.GetPlayer()[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(True)[/size][size="1"]Game.DisablePlayerControls(True, True, True, False, True, False, True)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(0.5)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().TranslateToRef(Point1, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(3.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().TranslateToRef(Point2, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(5.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(1)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(False)[/size][size="1"]Game.EnablePlayerControls()[/size][size="1"]EndIf[/size][size="1"]EndEvent[/size]

One that tests a simple Spline move from point A to B:

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 [size="1"]Scriptname AlexTestScript2 extends ObjectReference [/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point1 Auto[/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point2 Auto[/size][size="1"]Event OnTriggerEnter(ObjectReference akActionRef)[/size][size="1"]If akActionRef == Game.GetPlayer()[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(True)[/size][size="1"]Game.DisablePlayerControls(True, True, True, False, True, False, True)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(0.5)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point1, 500, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(4.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point2, 500, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(4.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(1)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(False)[/size][size="1"]Game.EnablePlayerControls()[/size][size="1"]EndIf[/size][size="1"]EndEvent[/size]

And one that tests are more complex Spline move from point A, to B, to C, to D. I wanted to see what would happen if you interrupted it and how the movement would behave:

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 [size="1"]Scriptname AlexTestScript3 extends ObjectReference [/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point1 Auto[/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point2 Auto[/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point3 Auto[/size][size="1"]ObjectReference Property Point4 Auto[/size][size="1"]Event OnTriggerEnter(ObjectReference akActionRef)[/size][size="1"]If akActionRef == Game.GetPlayer()[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(True)[/size][size="1"]Game.DisablePlayerControls(True, True, True, False, True, False, True)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(0.5)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point1, 200, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(1.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point2, 200, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(3.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point3, 200, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(3.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SplineTranslateToRef(Point4, 200, 100)[/size][size="1"]Utility.Wait(4.0)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetAlpha(1)[/size][size="1"]Game.GetPlayer().SetGhost(False)[/size][size="1"]Game.EnablePlayerControls()[/size][size="1"]EndIf[/size][size="1"]EndEvent[/size]

None of those control rotation. In addition, the movement seems odd at times. The player will stop moving and abruptly shift or continue moving in the same direction shortly. I can't tell if it's because I'm issuing another command so it pauses to calculate or something, or what's going on. Also, the splines seem very odd and I'm having trouble understand how those work and what values will work. Is a spline a single curved trajectory, or does it wave?

Someone please explain this to me.

Thanks,
Alexander J. Velicky

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:19 pm

1. instead of calling the GetPlayer function so many times, you could actually just use akActionRef, since it has been established that it == GetPlayer() in the condition (runs faster as it simply refers to the already grabbed value, rather than grabbing a new value each time, which would just wastefully return the same thing anyway)

2. i am not entirely sure that rotation works on the player (i havent yet delved deep enough into translating the player), but it does certainly work on statics

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:24 am

Function TranslateToRef(ObjectReference arTarget, float afSpeed, float afMaxRotationSpeed = 0.0)

The player will try to match the rotation of arTarget. If you want to control rotation, then you should either use http://www.creationkit.com/SetAngle_-_ObjectReference on arTarget before using http://www.creationkit.com/TranslateToRef_-_ObjectReference, or else you should use http://www.creationkit.com/TranslateTo_-_ObjectReference.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1353350-quick-ck-questions-thread-2/page__view__findpost__p__20590683 is all I know about the spline translate functions.

EDIT: Also, the translate functions will only rotate about the Z axis when called on actors, not the X or Y axes.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:27 pm

1. instead of calling the GetPlayer function so many times, you could actually just use akActionRef, since it has been established that it == GetPlayer() in the condition (runs faster as it simply refers to the already grabbed value, rather than grabbing a new value each time, which would just wastefully return the same thing anyway)

2. i am not entirely sure that rotation works on the player (i havent yet delved deep enough into translating the player), but it does certainly work on statics

Ooh, I'll change that.

And if it doesn't work on the player, then the person clearly did their research on the cutscene script... Unless it's not supposed to control the player. (As they do say to leave looking enabled...)

The player will try to match the rotation of arTarget. If you want to control rotation, then you should either use http://www.creationkit.com/SetAngle_-_ObjectReference on arTarget before using http://www.creationkit.com/TranslateToRef_-_ObjectReference, or else you should use http://www.creationkit.com/TranslateTo_-_ObjectReference.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1353350-quick-ck-questions-thread-2/page__view__findpost__p__20590683 is all I know about the spline translate functions.

EDIT: Also, the translate functions will only rotate about the Z axis when called on actors, not the X or Y axes.

arTarget is an XMarkerHeading, so it has a rotation. The player, therefor, should technically try to match it. But they don't at all... And yeah, I would have to manually control the X axis somehow... Crap, that would mean I'd be moving the camera anyway.

I may have to just move it myself and use the spline to get smooth movement; while angling manually... which will look real great on a mouse. -_-

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:19 pm

I can confirm that Actors do not get rotated by Translate commands.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:16 am

I can confirm that Actors do not get rotated by Translate commands.

Crap. Okay, is there any other way to rotate the camera? Other than SetAngle() since that would require far more calibration that necessary.

Looks like I'll be borrowing a friends 360 controller... I just seriously doubt my abilities to make mouse panning look good.

» Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:13 pm

I can confirm that Actors do not get rotated by Translate commands.

Looks like I was wrong when I said that the player will try to match the rotation. The player never rotates from the translate functions, but other actors do.

The following script would be attached to a target actor spell which causes the target to glide forward 256 units and turn 180 degrees.

Scriptname Example extends ActiveMagicEffectEvent OnEffectStart(Actor akTarget, Actor akCaster)    float Distance = 256.0    float AngleZ = akTarget.GetAngleZ()    float PosX = (Distance * Math.Sin(AngleZ)) + akTarget.X    float PosY = (Distance * Math.Cos(AngleZ)) + akTarget.Y    akTarget.TranslateTo(PosX, PosY, akTarget.Z, 0, 0, AngleZ - 180.0, Distance)EndEvent

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 am

but other actors do.

I tried with two other actors, they did not rotate either.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:34 am

I don't know why then, but it works for me.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:48 am

have you tried this:
http://www.creationkit.com/SetLookAt_-_Actor

i dunno if it will work but maybe its worth a shot

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:00 am

have you tried this:
http://www.creationkit.com/SetLookAt_-_Actor

i dunno if it will work but maybe its worth a shot

Hmmm, I haven't tried that, but I doubt it would work. Not only can the player's head (As far as I know) not turn independantly of your facing, but I would assume it would do nothing to the player just like the translates. Also, if it did somehow work, it would be instant or near instant... Good suggestion though. Maybe there's something around I could use. I'll keep looking.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:11 am

have you tried this:
http://www.creationkit.com/SetLookAt_-_Actor

i dunno if it will work but maybe its worth a shot

This actually comes in very handy for the other half of what I'm filming, so thanks for posting that.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:21 am

oooooooowwww... this will be good for my 1st person view of being swatted into the air from the attack of a giant (feature). Where were you when I was asking for camera controls for the past few days? :tongue: