What Figure of Speech is this?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:52 pm

In the song "Don't Dink and Drance" by The Devil Wears Prada there is the following lyric.

"Crows will flee the scene as if to remind me of how long it has been since i have seen a dove"

They are a christian band so what this seems to mean is "Crows will flee the scene of the crime as if to remind me of how long it has been since i have done a good deed". Can you please tell me what figure of speech this is?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:33 am

It's a metaphor.
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Greg Cavaliere
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:19 am

A simile I believe, because the sentence uses the word "as."
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:55 am

A simile I believe, because the sentence uses the word "as."


It used "as if to." It would be a simile if it went along the lines of "the pie was as good as six."
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:02 pm

It used "as if to." It would be a simile if it went along the lines of "the pie was as good as six."

Shows how much I paid attention in English class. :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:33 pm

It's a metaphor.


Thank you. My english teacher wants us to find a metaphor somewhere and I always thought that was a metaphor but was never quite sure if it was.

It used "as if to." It would be a simile if it went along the lines of "the pie was as good as six."


LOL.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:01 am

So this is definitely a metaphor right?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:06 am

From Google:

"a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity."

EDIT:

That's for metaphors in general, just so we're clear :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:39 pm

So then yes this is a metaphor :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:49 pm

It used "as if to." It would be a simile if it went along the lines of "the pie was as good as six."

No, it's a simile.

EDIT: The OP's figure of speech is.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:07 pm

No, it's a simile.

EDIT: The OP's figure of speech is.

No, it's a metaphor. The "as if to" isn't a simile "conjunction," so to speak.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:21 pm

It used "as if to." It would be a simile if it went along the lines of "the pie was as good as six."


No, it is a simile. The crows are not literally being described as a symbol of his last good dead, they are being compared to them (hence the use of "as if to").
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:52 am

No, it is a simile. The crows are not literally being described as a symbol of his last good dead, they are being compared to them (hence the use of "as if to").


...And that's exactly why it's not a simile.

Metaphor:

A figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance.

Simile:

A figure of speech in which two unlike things are explicitly compared.

A simile uses "like" or "as" as a conjunction, whereas a metaphor does a similar job without using "like" or "as." The line does HAVE an "as" in it, but it's not being used directly as the conjunction.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:53 pm

That's a simile. The difference is not simply a mechanical one, based on the choice of words. Metaphor and simile are not interchangeable that way. It is useful to think more deeply about metaphor and simile. A metaphor is a direct statement that one thing is another (so long as it's clear that the language is figurative and not meant to be taken literally). A simile is a statement of comparison, that one thing is like or as if it were another.

A metaphor equates; a simile compares. That's the difference in as few words as possible. Usually, the absence of words of comparison distinguishes a metaphor from a simile; "as if", being a phrase of comparison, clearly marks the expression as simile.

Much confusion has arisen over what manner of words may be used to introduce a simile. A simile may be introduced by any words that create a comparison; it does not have to be introduced by "like" or "as". Any comparison, including "as if", will do. Conversely, a metaphor requires words that equate, usually "is", but not a hedged or comparative kind of equality like "is as if". Because of this, metaphor is strong seasoning and should be used with as much care in writing as you use cayenne pepper in cooking.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:12 am

That's a simile. The difference is not simply a mechanical one, based on the choice of words. Metaphor and simile are not interchangeable that way. It is useful to think more deeply about metaphor and simile. A metaphor is a direct statement that one thing is another (so long as it's clear that the language is figurative and not meant to be taken literally). A simile is a statement of comparison, that one thing is like or as if it were another.

A metaphor equates; a simile compares. That's the difference in as few words as possible. Usually, the absence of words of comparison distinguishes a metaphor from a simile; "as if", being a phrase of comparison, clearly marks the expression as simile.

Much confusion has arisen over what manner of words may be used to introduce a simile. A simile may be introduced by any words that create a comparison; it does not have to be introduced by "like" or "as". Any comparison, including "as if", will do. Conversely, a metaphor requires words that equate, usually "is", but not a hedged or comparative kind of equality like "is as if". Because of this, metaphor is strong seasoning and should be used with as much care in writing as you use cayenne pepper in cooking.

Metaphors do not require words that equate. There are complex, compound, implicit and simple metaphors. I think the problem with my take on it is the infinitive.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:22 am

He's offline. I don't think it matters anymore :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:24 pm

But isn't "Crows Fleeing the Scene" a metaphor (ie equivalence) for catching him self doing evil,

And "seen a dove" a metaphor (ie equivalence) for doing something good,

And the "as if to remind me" a simile comparing the two metaphors

???

The line is very artistic in nature, it seems to create two metaphors and then compares the metaphors in a simile. Sounds like I'm making a joke, but I'm serious -- it seems to me that's what is it is.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:56 am

That's a simile. The difference is not simply a mechanical one, based on the choice of words. Metaphor and simile are not interchangeable that way. It is useful to think more deeply about metaphor and simile. A metaphor is a direct statement that one thing is another (so long as it's clear that the language is figurative and not meant to be taken literally). A simile is a statement of comparison, that one thing is like or as if it were another.

A metaphor equates; a simile compares. That's the difference in as few words as possible. Usually, the absence of words of comparison distinguishes a metaphor from a simile; "as if", being a phrase of comparison, clearly marks the expression as simile.

Much confusion has arisen over what manner of words may be used to introduce a simile. A simile may be introduced by any words that create a comparison; it does not have to be introduced by "like" or "as". Any comparison, including "as if", will do. Conversely, a metaphor requires words that equate, usually "is", but not a hedged or comparative kind of equality like "is as if". Because of this, metaphor is strong seasoning and should be used with as much care in writing as you use cayenne pepper in cooking.

I'm still confused... Can someone post an example of each highlighting the difference?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:13 pm

I'm still confused... Can someone post an example of each highlighting the difference?


That beer is six. = Metaphor
That beer is as good as six. = Simile.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:50 am

But isn't "Crows Fleeing the Scene" a metaphor (ie equivalence) for catching him self doing evil,

And "seen a dove" a metaphor (ie equivalence) for doing something good,

And the "as if to remind me" a simile comparing the two metaphors

???

The line is very artistic in nature, it seems to create two metaphors and then compares the metaphors in a simile. Sounds like I'm making a joke, but I'm serious -- it seems to me that's what is it is.


More symbols than metaphors. Whatever crows and doves are being equated to isn't in the verse, but only in the listener's experience and imagination. That's characteristic of a symbol, but not of a metaphor.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:04 pm

More symbols than metaphors. Whatever crows and doves are being equated to isn't in the verse, but only in the listener's experience and imagination. That's characteristic of a symbol, but not of a metaphor.

http://changingminds.org/techniques/language/metaphor/submerged_metaphor.htm, although it is similar to symbolism.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:10 pm

Well seeming as this isn't very clear can someone send me a link of something with a metaphor in it?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:47 pm

That's a simile. The difference is not simply a mechanical one, based on the choice of words. Metaphor and simile are not interchangeable that way. It is useful to think more deeply about metaphor and simile. A metaphor is a direct statement that one thing is another (so long as it's clear that the language is figurative and not meant to be taken literally). A simile is a statement of comparison, that one thing is like or as if it were another.

A metaphor equates; a simile compares. That's the difference in as few words as possible. Usually, the absence of words of comparison distinguishes a metaphor from a simile; "as if", being a phrase of comparison, clearly marks the expression as simile.

Much confusion has arisen over what manner of words may be used to introduce a simile. A simile may be introduced by any words that create a comparison; it does not have to be introduced by "like" or "as". Any comparison, including "as if", will do. Conversely, a metaphor requires words that equate, usually "is", but not a hedged or comparative kind of equality like "is as if". Because of this, metaphor is strong seasoning and should be used with as much care in writing as you use cayenne pepper in cooking.

More symbols than metaphors. Whatever crows and doves are being equated to isn't in the verse, but only in the listener's experience and imagination. That's characteristic of a symbol, but not of a metaphor.

Yeah, and the other day someone asked me something and my first -literally the very first thing I thought of was, dang I wish DB was here to answer this :)


as to the op.. uhh, dunno, highschool was waay too long ago.. but I'd say simile, cuz DB did :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:47 am

Well.... That's quite interesting. It's like a simile, wrapped in a metaphor and then used as a symbol. Seriously. It's like all three in one. :blink:

Crazy stuff, man.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:36 am

Yeah it seems alot more deeper LOL. But anyway can someone just send me a link to something with a metaphor please? I've been trying but i really can't find anything D:.
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