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What do I need to upgrade to effectively run FO:NV?

Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:46 am

Hello everybody. Normally when I'm going to get a game, I utilize systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI (Can You Run It?). However due to issues with it's program telling me I could run an open-world game, Borderlands, and then having Borderlands not work for my computer, along with hearing it's program isn't very accurate, I've decided to stop and do not know of another program to use to figure out if I should get a game or not.

I currently have Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 3 for the PlayStation 3, but I prefer PC gaming, especially due to the ability to modify games. My computer can run games like Portal and Left 4 Dead 2 with pretty good graphics, but it seems to have issues with running open world games, like Borderlands. Before I decide to buy New Vegas for the PC, I would like to know what I need to upgrade, recommended replacements, etc. I also ask that what you provide is more than just the minimum. I don't want to go and shell out several hundred dollars renovating my PC for a single game, only to find the next game I get won't work on this system. If you can also figure out why my computer can't run open-world games effectively, that'd be great too. Thanks! Anyways, here's the dxdiag of my system:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/3/2010, 15:32:47
Machine name: JOHN-B845103724
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100427-1636)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: P5K-E
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/10/07 17:27:58 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Page File: 838MB used, 3100MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_C7503842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.0095 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 3/7/2007 08:49:00, 5446016 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 3/7/2007 08:49:00, 6704096 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4742-11CF-AD5B-5BE700C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0402
SubSys ID: 0xC7503842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Logitech USB Headset
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: USB\Vid_046d&Pid_0a0c&Rev_1013&MI_00

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JeSsy ArEllano
 
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:45 am

Source engine games like Portal are more CPU bound than Unreal engine games like Borderlands. While the whole system starting to get a bit creaky in general, the best quick fix for it would be a new graphics card.

I wouldn't bother going higher than a mid range card like a Radeon 5650 or GeForce 460 with that cpu, but you'll see a big improvement in performance with one of those cards in. The only other question is if your power supply could take them. Is this a store bought system? Can you get the case open and see if the PSU specs are writen down on it for us?
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Iain Lamb
 
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:09 am

Hello everybody. Normally when I'm going to get a game, I utilize systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI (Can You Run It?). However due to issues with it's program telling me I could run an open-world game, Borderlands, and then having Borderlands not work for my computer, along with hearing it's program isn't very accurate, I've decided to stop and do not know of another program to use to figure out if I should get a game or not.

I currently have Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 3 for the PlayStation 3, but I prefer PC gaming, especially due to the ability to modify games. My computer can run games like Portal and Left 4 Dead 2 with pretty good graphics, but it seems to have issues with running open world games, like Borderlands. Before I decide to buy New Vegas for the PC, I would like to know what I need to upgrade, recommended replacements, etc. I also ask that what you provide is more than just the minimum. I don't want to go and shell out several hundred dollars renovating my PC for a single game, only to find the next game I get won't work on this system. If you can also figure out why my computer can't run open-world games effectively, that'd be great too. Thanks! Anyways, here's the dxdiag of my system:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/3/2010, 15:32:47
Machine name: JOHN-B845103724
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100427-1636)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: P5K-E
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/10/07 17:27:58 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Page File: 838MB used, 3100MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_C7503842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.0095 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 3/7/2007 08:49:00, 5446016 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 3/7/2007 08:49:00, 6704096 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4742-11CF-AD5B-5BE700C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0402
SubSys ID: 0xC7503842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Logitech USB Headset
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: USB\Vid_046d&Pid_0a0c&Rev_1013&MI_00




It's your video card, no doubt about it. Google "Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart " to see where your card , Nvidia 8600GT, places in comparison to other more powerful cards. As you can see, it's quite low compared to even my video card which is no spring chicken (ATI HD 3850 512MB), but seems to run New Vegas decently. If I were you I would start looking at nothing less than an HD 3850 or equivalent and move up from there as your budget allows.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:27 am

It's your video card, no doubt about it. Google "Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart " to see where your card , Nvidia 8600GT, places in comparison to other more powerful cards. As you can see, it's quite low compared to even my video card which is no spring chicken (ATI HD 3850 512MB), but seems to run New Vegas decently. If I were you I would start looking at nothing less than an HD 3850 or equivalent and move up from there as your budget allows.
My other computer has a GeForce GT 220, which according to the graphics card heirarchy chart is at the same level as the HD 3850. Would that be adequate for New Vegas?
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:28 am

My other computer has a GeForce GT 220, which according to the graphics card heirarchy chart is at the same level as the HD 3850. Would that be adequate for New Vegas?


I think it would run pretty decently on medium settings, give it a try! As long as you don't push the resolution and graphic settings too far I think it will be adequate and look pretty good as well.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:01 am

The only major difference between your system and mine (which runs on ultra), is a $150 video card. Get yourself a high rated ATI card from newegg.com.

Don't listen to anyone who says you need more RAM. With WinXP 32bit, your computer is capped at 4GB including graphics card RAM.
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