What's with Steams Stats: re OS : Othor Games

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:36 am

Steams H/w and S/W http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey shows Vista as almost as many users as XP, at ~23% vs ~25.5% fro XP

No way is that right, it is impossible for Vista to have > 20% overall!!!

Steam is screwing up their survey somehow!

edit " does anybody have access to old (like > 6 months ago) Steam stats data????? especially on OS!?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:10 pm

Why is that number impossible? :huh:

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:56 am

Why is that number impossible? :huh:

because Vista never sold enough copies : note that Win 7 total is ~ 45%, less than 2X the Vista number! Do you believe that?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:33 am

because Vista never sold enough copies : note that Win 7 total is ~ 45%, less than 2X the Vista number! Do you believe that?

Yes. Why do you say that Vista didn't sell enough copies? AFAIK it sold about 330 million copies

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:56 pm

Steams H/w and S/W http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey shows Vista as almost as many users as XP, at ~23% vs ~25.5% fro XP

No way is that right, it is impossible for Vista to have > 20% overall!!!

Steam is screwing up their survey somehow!

How is it impossible? That's just the percentages of people who run Vista versus those who run other OS versions / types. It could very well be - and likely is - that 23% of Steam users run Vista, and 25% run XP.

because Vista never sold enough copies : note that Win 7 total is ~ 45%, less than 2X the Vista number! Do you believe that?

Uh, yeah?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:34 am

I'd also assume that Windows 7 has been steadily eating away the number of XP users, more so than with Vista.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:23 am

Yes. Why do you say that Vista didn't sell enough copies? AFAIK it sold about 330 million copies

And a lot of the people who were sticking with XP have upgraded to W7 :shrug:.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:20 pm

And a lot of the people who were sticking with XP have upgraded to W7 :shrug:.

And a lot of the people who upgraded to Vista aren't keen on changing their OS every couple years.

I don't see why a ~20% figure for Vista is shocking.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:02 am

Yes. Why do you say that Vista didn't sell enough copies? AFAIK it sold about 330 million copies

http://seekingalpha.com/article/293424-microsoft-milestone-it-sold-450-million-copies-of-windows-7
Today, Microsoft (MSFT) has announced quite the milestone for Windows 7: since its launch in October 2009, a full 450 million licenses have been sold. The numbers are somehow more impressive when broken down; just a hair over 650,000 licenses are sold each day.
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The company announced in its Q4 2008 revenue report that it sold 180 million Vista licenses since launch. At this point in Vista’s life (just over a year and half after launch), that averages out to about 335,195 licenses per day. Seems respectable without context, but after the same amount of time, Windows 7 nearly doubles that figure with 632,911 licenses/day.

So, Vista released Nov 2006, 180 Million Vista LICENSES as of Q4 2008 (2 years + 1 month), Win 7 introduced October, 2009, so did Vista sell another 150 million LICENSES between Dec 08 and Oct 09?? I doubt it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_Vista#Sales_figure_inflation

Sales figure inflation

According to industry sources, as of late July 2008 Windows XP is still outselling Windows Vista, especially in business sales. According to HP, Microsoft is miscounting and inflating Windows Vista sales figures.[88][89] An HP manager is quoted in APC:
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"From the 30th of June [2008], we have no longer been able to ship a PC with a XP license", said Jane Bradburn, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP Australia.

"However, what we have been able to do with Microsoft is ship PCs with a Vista Business license but with XP pre-loaded. That is still the majority of business computers we are selling today."

So the 330 million number is bogus, plus how many people have upgraded from Vista, which really was a POS, versus people KEEPING on XP, which was the best OS that MS ever made

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:17 am

So the 330 million number is bogus, plus how many people have upgraded from Vista, which really was a POS, versus people KEEPING on XP, which was the best OS that MS ever made

Why discuss statistics when you're going to punctuate your post with something so subjective?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:26 pm

I'd also assume that Windows 7 has been steadily eating away the number of XP users, more so than with Vista.

Actually, I'd expect the opposite - that more Vista users would upgrade to get away from Vista.

I run XP btw, and am keeping it because some games just will not run in W7. I'll likely upgrade to Win 8 when it comes out

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:48 am

Why discuss statistics when you're going to punctuate your post with something so subjective?

it's a factor that you must be concerned with, but no data available (AFAIK)

but the FACT that the 330 million number is bogus is not subjective

edit : I wish I had some old Steam survey data (like 6 months ago) - I don't think Vista was that large a percentage then - and there is no way that the Vista percentage can grow

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:02 am

but the FACT that the 330 million number is bogus is not subjective

You supplied no evidence that proves it false, only evidence that suggests it.

You also supplied false information. Vista was released for retail in January 2007, not November 2006. It even says in your quote "just over a year and a half after launch".

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Why is that number impossible? :huh:

It's not impossible, but I at least find it http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11712

edit : I wish I had some old Steam survey data (like 6 months ago) - I don't think Vista was that large a percentage then - and there is no way that the Vista percentage can grow

I'm pretty certain the Vista number can grow, by people installing Steam on Vista computers. Of course I may be wrong and by installing Steam on Vista computers it actually causes the Haiku OS percentage to grow.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:41 pm

Okay, so yes, more people have XP than Vista. But a large chunk of those computers are business computers, thus they would not be running steam. Steam is only on computers people use for gaming, and the stats that Steam has collected seems pretty believable.

By the way, you can't disprove statistics with your personal opinion that Vista is bad, and thus everyone tries to get away from it. Disproving stats with opinion is wrong in every possible way.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:55 am

You supplied no evidence that proves it false, only evidence that suggests it.

You also supplied false information. Vista was released for retail in January 2007, not November 2006.

And the person that posted the 330 million number didn't even provide that much !!! Just posted a number

re Vista release date - my date is valid for Vista license sales (3 months before retail sales)

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:47 am

Actually, I'd expect the opposite - that more Vista users would upgrade to get away from Vista.

I run XP btw, and am keeping it because some games just will not run in W7. I'll likely upgrade to Win 8 when it comes out

I tried out a preview for Windows 8 once.
It was...interesting. It's almost like a smartphone OS. I think I prefer Windows 7 honestly, it's a lot easier to navigate.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:38 am

read this http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/01/23/steam-shows-massive-adoption-of-windows-7-by-gamers/

But of course, the best statistic, saved until last like a prime cut of steak, is that Windows 7 (23%) has surpassed Windows Vista (20%)... after just 4 months! (Jan, 2010)

so how did Vista climb UP to 23% in Nov, 2011????

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/valve-steam-windows-7-macosx,news-10843.html

36.8% of all Steam gamers are using the 64-bit version of the OS. Windows XP-32 and Vista-32 follow with 22.7% and 13.2%. The 32-bit version of Windows 7 is currently listed with a share of 10.7% and the most popular Apple OS is MacOS X 10.6.6.6. All Mac systems combined account for a share of 4.27% on Steam.

Vista 32 now 13.6% ???

so is somebody selling pirated copies of Vista?? Who would want to buy one anyway?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:40 am

I'd also assume that Windows 7 has been steadily eating away the number of XP users, more so than with Vista.

And a lot of the people who were sticking with XP have upgraded to W7 :shrug:.

Yep. I went straight from XP to Windows 7 earlier this year. :wave:

I tried out a preview for Windows 8 once.
It was...interesting. It's almost like a smartphone OS. I think I prefer Windows 7 honestly, it's a lot easier to navigate.

I'm really not fond of Windows 8. You're right, the entire thing looks like its just been designed for smartphones or tablets. I have the distinct feeling that someone at Microsoft accidently made it for the wrong platform but they decided to just roll with it.

I'll be sticking to Windows 7 for a while....

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:09 pm

read this http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/01/23/steam-shows-massive-adoption-of-windows-7-by-gamers/

But of course, the best statistic, saved until last like a prime cut of steak, is that Windows 7 (23%) has surpassed Windows Vista (20%)... after just 4 months! (Jan, 2010)

so how did Vista climb UP to 23% in Nov, 2011????

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/valve-steam-windows-7-macosx,news-10843.html

36.8% of all Steam gamers are using the 64-bit version of the OS. Windows XP-32 and Vista-32 follow with 22.7% and 13.2%. The 32-bit version of Windows 7 is currently listed with a share of 10.7% and the most popular Apple OS is MacOS X 10.6.6.6. All Mac systems combined account for a share of 4.27% on Steam.

Vista 32 now 13.6% ???

so is somebody selling pirated copies of Vista?? Who would want to buy one anyway?

More people switching to Steam? Remember that this isn't the number of copies installed on all computers, but the number of copies used to play Steam games. Likewise only Steam games, and Steam has been gaining popularity since it became a DRM alternative as well as gaming platform.

What significance does the Vista 32 statistic has? It ignores Vista 64, and alone means nothing for total Vista percentage.

And why, exactly, would Steam purposely alter their statistics? What purpose would it serve them? If you say anything along the lines of "Microsoft is paying them off", I have a tin hat to sell you.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:20 am

I'm really not fond of Windows 8. You're right, the entire thing looks like its just been designed for smartphones or tablets. I have the distinct feeling that someone at Microsoft accidently made it for the wrong platform but they decided to just roll with it.

My personal theory is that they saw Gnome 3 and got ideas

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» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:40 am

Am I getting this right, that the reason you're shocked that a lot of people are using Vista is because you thought it was terrible?

It wasn't THAT bad, and is pretty much the same OS as Windows 7.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:12 am

More people switching to Steam? Remember that this isn't the number of copies installed on all computers, but the number of copies used to play Steam games. Likewise only Steam games, and Steam has been gaining popularity since it became a DRM alternative as well as gaming platform.

Yup, Vista isn't growing much, but the userbase of Steam is, and the userbase it is currently attracting is running Vista. The OP is confusing the userbase growth of Steam with the OS Market share growth of Vista. Growth of one does not directly reflect in growth of the other.

Am I getting this right, that the reason you're shocked that a lot of people are using Vista is because you thought it was terrible?

It wasn't THAT bad, and is pretty much the same OS as Windows 7.

This is pretty much the truth. Windows Vista and Windows 7 are near-identical.

(That said, I hope to see the number of Vista users significantly shrink as Vista Home and Ultimate editions reach EOL in 5 months time...)

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:59 am

read this http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/01/23/steam-shows-massive-adoption-of-windows-7-by-gamers/

But of course, the best statistic, saved until last like a prime cut of steak, is that Windows 7 (23%) has surpassed Windows Vista (20%)... after just 4 months! (Jan, 2010)

so how did Vista climb UP to 23% in Nov, 2011????

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/valve-steam-windows-7-macosx,news-10843.html

36.8% of all Steam gamers are using the 64-bit version of the OS. Windows XP-32 and Vista-32 follow with 22.7% and 13.2%. The 32-bit version of Windows 7 is currently listed with a share of 10.7% and the most popular Apple OS is MacOS X 10.6.6.6. All Mac systems combined account for a share of 4.27% on Steam.

Vista 32 now 13.6% ???

so is somebody selling pirated copies of Vista?? Who would want to buy one anyway?

Wait... what? How do you possibly correlate that with piracy? It's just a statistic about the number of people running a particular OS - it says nothing about if those OS versions were pirated.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:24 pm

Wait... what? How do you possibly correlate that with piracy? It's just a statistic about the number of people running a particular OS - it says nothing about if those OS versions were pirated.

Its the Ubisoft philiosophy, if someone has something on PC, it must be pirated.