When i first played Skyrim, I was expectating that the hand to hand skill tree would be there, but when i had ranked up i could not find it.
Is it a glitch?
this is the most suprising thing in skyrim, everyone i know (that play Skyrim and have played Oblivion) where expectating hand to hand skill tree, especially since kajhiits have claws they use in hand to hand.

so to the creators of skyrim: I need you to make a patch to add the hand to hand skill tree to skyrim!

I am an kajiit, but it dosn't matter if you are another race, there is still no hand to hand skill three.

Add links to mods that fixs this here on this topic please.

You'll have to wait for Skyrim Tools thing.

Or a DLC.

Heavy armor is the one you are seeking, but that's not the same thing, I know. But still, more damage from heavy armor gauntlets is a nice perks and allows for H2H playing.

Not here. Go Khajiit with Heavy Armour - that way, you get the +15 to Hand to Hand damage from the Khajiit racial ability, and there's a perk in the Heavy Armour tree that means the armour rating of your gauntlets add to the damage your hand to hand attacks do.

Sorry, we already knew before release that there is no hand-to-hand skill or perktree.

On top of that, feel free to use the crafting skills to improve your gauntlet's armor rating as much as possible.

It's only the base armor value of the gauntlets that is added to h2h damage.

But you can use the fortify unarmed on your gauntlets and necklace, you find it in the riften ratway.

Doing this, you can get a maximum damage of around 60 IIRC.

There is the Fists of Steel perk which makes your gauntlets add to your hand-to-hand damage, so wearing ebony gauntlets will do a lot more damage than wearing iron ones. That was a something missing from previous titles and is a huge improvement.

Again, its only the base armor value thats added. So daedric will give you about +17, I don't know exact values. Not much difference between the different armor base rating.

Wasn't there a reported bug that all the HtH perks/enchantment failed one way or another ?

As for the tree, it got streamlined.

Enchantments / sideperks

I only use light armor...

Get the gloves of the pugilist. They're on someone in the Riften ratways. They give 10 extra unarmed damage, and they're light armor.

Then there shall be no walloping nor punching people's faces in.

Unless they have radically changed the skills part of the engine, which is unlikely, adding new skills in the CK won't be possible. Hand to Hand just isn't a skill any more.

The creation kit will have all the features that the one the made the game with, it's official.


Thanks for the tip

In Oblivion

its called heavy armor now

And on top of that, find
and put the enchantment on your new heavily upgraded gauntlets.

Have you ever used the Construction Set before?

They make the game with these tools, as in they put everything together, make the world, quests, NPCs, scripts etc.

But the engine isn't made in the Creation Kit. Neither are the meshes, or the textures, or the shaders. These are all used in the Creation Kit, as in loaded in and used, but they're not made in it. In Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout, spell effects and skills were hard coded into the engine. You could not change them in the Construction Set/GECK, because they were simply added on an engine level by the programmers. If an employee needed a new spell effect, they'd have to ask the programmers to code it in for them, this has been said by an actual Oblivion developer. We obviously can't do that.

So for all intents and purposes, things like spell effects and skills are hard coded into the engine. We cannot change them or add new ones.

Are you saying we get an license to gamebyro, scaleform and speedtree with the ck ?

more than likely we wont be able to add skills with the construction set, it was that way for Oblivion, but modders will be able to do things like make H2H attacks be affected by your 2 handed skill

Exactly. The Creation Kit is immensely powerful, and we can do so much with it. But there are things, either left out because they're licensed third party tools, or that you can't do in the CK because they're on an engine level. Skills are one of these things, it's not possible to change them or add them at all.

No, i didn't but http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114495-Skyrim-Creation-Kit-Out-in-January-Goodbye-Backwards-Dragons
is my source that it will be the Full cit, It's possible that i have misunderstood so please reply if u are sure of it


have you seen the mods, there are several mods in oblivion that do presicly what you said isn't possible

The article on escapist doesn't really imply much more than integration with steam workshop