which is better to join-Stormcloaks or Legion?

Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:43 am

One of my main concerns is that I won't get to keep my daedric armor. I am guessing that they won't make me wear their armor but I am just not sure about it. Please let me know if the game makes me wear certain armor or use certain weapons if I join the Stormcloaks or if I join the imperial legion. Also, what is your opinion on which path is better? Please let me know and explain why. I'm not sure if I understand the storyline completely, but my impression is that Ulfric is a conqueror and wants land and power. I don't want that. Please correct me if I am wrong about Ulfric. I have problems with following a story because I can't think straight some times.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:40 am

You can run around nekkid. Neither side cares. Flip a coin - they both have their faults.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:20 pm

STORMCLOAKS!!!!..............no wait......LEGION!!!....no it doesn't its completely up to you sir.
If your a Nord then Stormcloaks, anything else maybe legion. cause stormcloaks are racist lol
And Ulfric is fighting for the Nords way of life do to the Legion preventing the worship of talos and
giving the thalamor to much power as Nords aren't fans of elves at all.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:03 pm

my impression is that Ulfric is a conqueror and wants land and power
And what is your impression of the Empire? A federation of equal states who entirely voluntarily joined in union under a benevolent and peaceful emperor who totally didn't care either way? :tongue:

Both sides have their ups and downs, good points and bad points, etc. etc. There's no one good answer.
Gear-wise there's no real difference.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:55 pm

STORMCLOAKS!!!!..............no wait......LEGION!!!....no it doesn't its completely up to you sir.
If your a Nord then Stormcloaks, anything else maybe legion. cause stormcloaks are racist lol
And Ulfric is fighting for the Nords way of life do to the Legion preventing the worship of talos and
giving the thalamor to much power as Nords aren't fans of elves at all.

Ulfric is not racist, sheesh.
2 racists civilians in Windhelm does not make Ulfric racist. Plus its those damned Grey-skins fault. If they actually do work and not moan and complain they wouldnt be in a slum.

OT: depends, I personally like the Stormcloacks idea of a free skyrim and what not.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:22 am

You you don't have to wear their armor, you are given a set of armor and it is upgraded but you don't have to use it.

It's up to the individual really, a lot of people join the Stormcloaks due to the first mission where Ralof seems 'friendlier' than the imperials (who are trying to behead you obviously) however looking beyond that I agree with you about Ulfric. He does not allow Argonians into the city, and makes Dark elves live in the 'Grey Quarter', a slum of sorts. He is also quite arrogant, and I personally didn't like how he just killed the King because he was doing something he didn't agree with. I mean what else is going to happen under absolute power? Not everyone will be happy.

However the Imperials have their share of problems as well. They have connections to the Thalmor and are sort of forced under their wishes due to political reasons. Also, many see the ruling empire as old and losing influence, and this civil war is seen as a desperate grab for some recognition and power. They believe in law, governance and a society where everyone knows their place and contributes.

Personally I joined the Legion. However make sure the quest 'Blood on the Ice' is finished before you finish the questline for the legion.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:28 pm

You you don't have to wear their armor, you are given a set of armor and it is upgraded but you don't have to use it.

It's up to the individual really, a lot of people join the Stormcloaks due to the first mission where Ralof seems 'friendlier' than the imperials (who are trying to behead you obviously) however looking beyond that I agree with you about Ulfric. He does not allow Argonians into the city, and makes Dark elves live in the 'Grey Quarter', a slum of sorts. He is also quite arrogant, and I personally didn't like how he just killed the King because he was doing something he didn't agree with. I mean what else is going to happen under absolute power? Not everyone will be happy.

However the Imperials have their share of problems as well. They have connections to the Thalmor and are sort of forced under their wishes due to political reasons. Also, many see the ruling empire as old and losing influence, and this civil war is seen as a desperate grab for some recognition and power. They believe in law, governance and a society where everyone knows their place and contributes.

Personally I joined the Legion. However make sure the quest 'Blood on the Ice' is finished before you finish the questline for the legion.

Its the dunmer's fault for being in a slum. Heck there is a dunmer who is quite wealthy and owns a farm outside the city and two very wealthy Altmer citizens, one downright tells you that the dunmer are to stuck up to actually work to gain the respect of the nords and just complain. they have to earn their keep so to speak. And most beast races arent allowed in cities looks at khajiits.

Anyways...for me, the dialogue when you meet the two leaders really helped me choose Stormcloack

Tulius:
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Legate Rikke: Im telling you, Ulfric's planning an attack on Whiterun.
Tullius: He'd be insane to try. He doesn't have the men.
Legate Rikke: That's not what my scouts report, sir. Every day more join his cause. Riften, Dawnstar, and Winterhold support him.
Tullius: It's not a cause. It's a rebellion.
Legate Rikke: Call it whatever you like, General. The man's going to try to take Whiterun.
Tullius: Jarl Balgruuf...
Legate Rikke: Balgruuf refuses the Legion's right to garrison troops in his city. On the other hand, he also refuses to acknowledge Ulfric's claim.
Tullius: Well, if he wants to stand outside the protection of the Empire, fine. Let Ulfric pillage his city.
Legate Rikke: General.
Tullius: You people and your damn Jarls.
Legate Rikke: Sir? You can't force a Nord to accept help he hasn't asked for.
Tullius: If Ulfric's making a move for Whiterun, then we need to be there to stop him. Draft another letter with the usual platitudes, but this time share some of your intelligence regarding Ulfric's plans. Embellish if you have to. We'll let it seem like it's his idea.
Legate Rikke: Yes, sir.
Tullius: You Nords and your bloody sense of honor.
Legate Rikke: Sir.


Ulfric:
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Galmar: Balgruuf won't give us a straight answer.
Ulfric: He's a true Nord. He'll come around.
Galmar: Don't be so sure of that. We've intercepted couriers from Solitude. The Empire's putting a great deal of pressure on Whiterun.
Ulfric: And what would you have me do?
Galmar: If he's not with us, he's against us.
Ulfric: He knows that. They all know that.
Galmar: How long are you going to wait?
Ulfric: You think I need to send Balgruuf a stronger message.
Galmar: If by message you mean shoving a sword through his gullet.
Ulfric: Taking his city and leaving him in disgrace would make a more powerful statement, dont you think?
Galmar: So we're ready to start this war in earnest then?
Ulfric: Soon.
Galmar: I still say you should take them all out like you did Deadking Torygg.
Ulfric: Torygg was merely a message to the other Jarls. Whoever we replace them with will need the support of our armies.
Galmar: We're ready when you are.
Ulfric: Things hinge on Whiterun. If we can take the city without bloodshed all the better. But if not...
Galmar: The people are behind you.
Ulfric: Many I fear still need convincing.
Galmar: Then let them die with their false kings.
Ulfric: We've been soldiers a long time. We know the price of freedom. The people are still weighing things in their hearts.
Galmar: What's left of Skyrim to wager?
Ulfric: They have families to think of.
Galmar: How many of their sons and daughters follow your banner? We are their families.
Ulfric: Well put, friend. Tell me, Galmar, why do you fight for me?
Galmar: I'd follow you into the depths of Oblivion, you know that.
Ulfric: Yes, but why do you fight? If not for me, what then?
Galmar: I'll die before elves dictate the fates of men. Are we not one in this?
Ulfric: I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children, who's names I heard whispered in their last breaths. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers
wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing. I fight...because I must.
Galmar: Your words give voice to what we all feel, Ulfric. And that's why you will be High King. But the day when words
are enough, will be the day when soldiers like us are no longer needed.
Ulfric: I would gladly retire from the world were such a day to dawn.
Galmar: Aye. But in the meantime, we have a war to plan.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:51 pm

It really depends on the character.

But looking at it objectively, I'd say the imperials are the better choice. Because the real enemy is the Aldemeri Dominion (Thalmor).. While the Stormcloaks may have a point about wanting full control over Skyrim, that would divide the "empire" from fighting the "Dominion".

At least that is the way it appears.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:33 pm

It really depends on the character.

But looking at it objectively, I'd say the imperials are the better choice. Because the real enemy is the Aldemeri Dominion (Thalmor).. While the Stormcloaks may have a point about wanting full control over Skyrim, that would divide the "empire" from fighting the "Dominion".

At least that is the way it appears.

Hammerfell pushed back the Thalmor without Empire support, I dont see why Skyrim couldn't. heck, what if the two countries form an alliance?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:17 pm

Ulfric is not racist, sheesh.
2 racists civilians in Windhelm does not make Ulfric racist. Plus its those damned Grey-skins fault. If they actually do work and not moan and complain they wouldnt be in a slum.

OT: depends, I personally like the Stormcloacks idea of a free skyrim and what not.

I met that one guy, whose name escapes me, at Candlehearth Hall. As a Dunmer, I took exception to his words. Challenged him to a brawl, and despite his "is that the best you can do" taunts I defeated him easily. Still hasnt learned his lesson, cause he still goes on about the "greyskins."

OT: I havent gone to Solittude yet, but I have met Ulfric, and he strikes me as an honorable person, so I'm willing to consider the Stormcloaks, even as a Dunmer.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:53 pm

I met that one guy, whose name escapes me, at Candlehearth Hall. As a Dunmer, I took exception to his words. Challenged him to a brawl, and despite his "is that the best you can do" taunts I defeated him easily. Still hasnt learned his lesson, cause he still goes on about the "greyskins."

OT: I havent gone to Solittude yet, but I have met Ulfric, and he strikes me as an honorable person, so I'm willing to consider the Stormcloaks, even as a Dunmer.

The nords respect you as long as you earn their respect. If anyone the nords probably hate high elves more than anyone and there is a respected high elf citizen in Windhelm xD
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:24 pm

Ulfric is not racist, sheesh.
2 racists civilians in Windhelm does not make Ulfric racist. Plus its those damned Grey-skins fault. If they actually do work and not moan and complain they wouldnt be in a slum.

OT: depends, I personally like the Stormcloacks idea of a free skyrim and what not.

my nord sided with the nords and one of ulfrics big issues is with the thalamor
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:54 pm

my nord sided with the nords and one of ulfrics big issues is with the thalamor

Thalmor*

And? Thalmor are like Nazis! they are trying to basically take over everyone and commit mass genocide on all Humans. What human wouldnt want to slaughter all those golden skinned buggers?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:05 pm

My Nord shares the same views as the Stormcloaks. Because he loves his Skyrim and his people and carried out his order with no remorse
My Khajiit however did not. and very much enjoyed showing Ulfric what the lesser races are capable of.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:24 pm

My Nord shares the same views as the Stormcloaks. Because he loves his Skyrim and his people and carried out his order with no remorse
My Khajiit however did not. and very much enjoyed showing Ulfric what the lesser races are capable of.

So you agree they are a lesser race? ;)
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:34 pm

I think you can keep your armor... but I'd go with Stormcloaks. If you are super loyal to Skyrim and belive it truly does belong to Nords, Stormcloaks are the best way to go. The Imperials are all like fancy pants people....

My Nord girl is totally supportive of the Stormcloaks, but she's still trying to join and find that stupid ice wraith!!! poor Crystal. (lol) She enjoys freeing the Stormcloak captives and killing off the imperials that hold him captive.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:49 pm

Listen to Ulfric talking to his advisor and listen to Tulius talking to his advisor and decide. :P
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Thalmor*

And? Thalmor are like Nazis! they are trying to basically take over everyone and commit mass genocide on all Humans. What human wouldnt want to slaughter all those golden skinned buggers?

lol yea. Were they the "High Elves" in the other Elder Scrolls? I'm assuming they were...but just to double check.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:45 pm

So you agree they are a lesser race? :wink:

I Belive Khajiit can tear a Nord apart. Khajiits 1 Nord 0
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:54 am

I Belive Khajiit can tear a Nord apart. Khajiits 1 Nord 0

pft, nords, other than redguards, are some of the best warriors in Tamriel and much stronger than Khajiit. Khajiit care only for moon sugar, skooma, the moon, and money.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:36 pm

pft, nords, other than redguards, are some of the best warriors in Tamriel and much stronger than Khajiit. Khajiit care only for moon sugar, skooma, the moon, and money.

Yea, I do agree. I've just never really clicked with liking the Khajiit or Argonienes.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:25 am

Yea, I do agree. I've just never really clicked with liking the Khajiit or Argonienes.

Ya khajiit are good as theives and sneaky pick-pockets but agaisnt a Nordic warrior they are screwed xD
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:43 pm

Khajiit have some pretty badass warriors, especially when it's one of the warrior breeds. Argonians are also pretty tough.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm

Khajiit have some pretty badass warriors, especially when it's one of the warrior breeds. Argonians are also pretty tough.

Ya but you rarely, if not ever see the other kind of Khajiit outside of their deserts
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:15 pm

One of my main concerns is that I won't get to keep my daedric armor. I am guessing that they won't make me wear their armor but I am just not sure about it. Please let me know if the game makes me wear certain armor or use certain weapons if I join the Stormcloaks or if I join the imperial legion. Also, what is your opinion on which path is better? Please let me know and explain why. I'm not sure if I understand the storyline completely, but my impression is that Ulfric is a conqueror and wants land and power. I don't want that. Please correct me if I am wrong about Ulfric. I have problems with following a story because I can't think straight some times.
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