Why did you side with who you did at the end?

For me I can relate to the burned man in a way.

He did some very bad things and then in a moment was in a way released from that shell that had led him down the wrong path into a more rightous path.

I guess my point is joshua graham believes in not letting people constantly push you out cause if they do eventually you got no where to run so taking a stand while your at your best is the only way to show them you wont be walked on.

Daniels way no matter how you look it will only bring the tribe's downfall, running from every threat that comes will weaken you.

So I guess in the end the reason I sided with the burned man was because while his ways may have seemed extreme in the end it was the only way for the right thing to shine through.

I believe Zion belongs to The Sorrows, so I decided to destroy the White Legs. It felt pretty good, although apparently The Sorrows are "less innocent" now. I just do not think it's fair to make them leave Zion . :shrug:

True to Zion :disguise:

personally i went with graham because daniels way is too messy and dangerous, especially when you consider the way daniel painted the tribals its like....

::daniel:: ok courier only myself joshua and follows chalk can actually fight all the sorrows cant shoot and refuse to fight in any meaningful way if we run so i need you to help us protect them

::joshua:: {censored} i cant believe we believe the same thing

::courier:: and so why am i starting at the back of the line of defenseless tribals?

::daniel:: because having you in the middle to actually protect them would be impossible

::courier:: why?

then it fades to black and your at the back of the line going they all gon'a die? so id prefer to be a monster and wipe out white legs then do my normally good guy thing and save everyone and i admit i had sneering imperialist and used that answer to tell joshua to kill salt upon wounds cause i liked that answer so much better

I was trying to decide what the most God-willing thing to do would be, given this DLCs high religous focus.

I ended up just going with my gut and fighting the White Legs, but I didn't let Joshua execute Salt-Upon-Wounds, I at least gave the guy a fighting chance.

I only sided with Daniel to see different endings and stuff, only to reload a save. Daniel is idealistic and as I don't follow his religious tenets either, Graham is the most logical and effective route to take. It's doing the Sorrows a favor by making them more ruthless, because it's the post-apocalypse. Also, I let him execute Salt-Upon-Wouds. He doesn't deserve a chance. He may have been raised to know nothing better than what his tribe does, but hell, that's reason enough to just put him down. There wouldn't be any way to change him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/Oni313/ScreenShot7.jpg is what I did to him, and the reason is within my signature...

On my other run that finished it I sided with Graham, and told him to hurry up and finish Salt's what is he waiting for, option of Sneering Imperialist perk. I felt at the time Salt deserved what was coming at him.

I sided with Daniel, thinking that Joshua Graham was sorta following in Caesar's footsteps (uniting tribes to conquer an enemy) and I heeded Daniel's warnings that Graham was in it for personal pleasure, so to speak. I sorta focused on the history of Graham and was convinced something bad would happen if I followed him, and to an extent, I was right. However, I was disappointed to see the game offered me no reward for drawing this conclusion: I got no ending slide telling me what became of Graham.

Fighting the White Legs feels stupid too. The Sorrows lose their innocence and their culture, and Daniel is emo.

To be honest, telling Graham to execute SUW was the most fulfilling. Not because it felt like the right thing to do neccesarily, but because it was the ONLY ending where you got the sense you knew what you got. The other two endings feel incomplete.

I sided with Joshua Graham because I think Daniel needed to face reality. He was talking a lot about how The Sorrows were innocent and had to maintain their innocence in this world, blah blah blah, meanwhile I'm thinking.....dude, look around you! You're living in the bombed-out remains of the Earth surrounded by rival factions and psychopaths on all sides! Get with the times or get a bullet to the head!

I saved before choosing sides, first I sided with Graham. I reloaded the save, then did sided with Daniel. I didn't like siding with Daniel as much as I did siding with Graham, so I reloaded a third time, and chose to side with Graham again, and that is the ending I returned to the Mojave with. His ending was better all around, the White Legs were driven out of Zion, the Sorrows and Dead Horses got to keep their land despite having their differences in the future, and they learned how to protect themselves. If or when another White Legs style tribe, or worse tries to take their land they can at least defend themselves and not run away, like Daniel wanted them to do.

I sided with Joshua. Daniel is a religous idealist, and his views of a Utopia do not fit in the real world. Sure, the Sorrows "lost their innocence" but they kept their lands, and were strong enough to meet other tribes as equals. Plus, the downside of turning Zion into a cesspool was too much to appease his sensibilities.

Yeah I mean, the reality is if you keep running away from every obstacle then your just gonna be wiped out have to make a stand.

I myself didnt allow joshua to kill salt either, while I shared joshua's overall view sometimes mercy is the ultimate weapon, it lets them know that while you could have slaughtered them you didnt.

But I did play daniel through to the end and I was very dissappointed when I found out that daniel really was not gonna be happy either way, and that if he was as confident in his beliefs he never would have felt like a failure given any outcome he would have just kept on trying what he was doing.

So yes joshua while my first choice remained the best decision overall for me.

I just thought it would be wrong to have the Sorrows run away from their problems forever, that is why I sided with Joshua. If the Sorrows ran every time they were faced with an enemy they would have to run to the end of the earth.

But when it came to executing Salt-Upon-Wounds, I chose to fight him fairly. I just did it for fun, I had no idea it would have a better outcome.