Why Stormcloaks are better than the Empire : V - Skyrim

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:45 pm

I'd like to throw something else out for though before I go to bed.

What do you suppose will be canon lore regarding the Dragonborn's involvement? Empire, Stormcloak or neutral?

Edit: Guess it was pointless to ask; the post limit lock of doom is upon us...

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:02 am

The unbalance and chaos was caused by the WGC. People didnt understand what it was actually doing until it was too late. It was feeding the Thalmor, allowing them to gain power.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:33 pm

The Mer's goal (at least the Aldmeri Dominion) want to reach their version of Sovnegarde and cannot do that while Mankind is present. So even if they did start a war by entering another country they'd battle it out with them for awhile then move on to Skyrim.

Except, they can't even seem to make it through Hammerfell. So much for the big bad Dominion.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:34 am

The Empire isn't strictly politics. They have leaders and warriors, many of which fought with Ulfric for freedom.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:09 pm

It's better than having the people of Skyrim disjointed.

Which they weren't openly until Ulfric rebelled, for selfish reasons (or he would've reasoned with Torygg before killing him)

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:30 pm

The Canon is neutral. He achieves stalemate via the graybeard meeting

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 pm

It's better than having the people of Skyrim disjointed.

The Empire would have Skyrim part of their Empire as a whole if they win. I don't see how people think Skyrim alone can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:20 pm

200th post. Should this interesting topic get a 2nd season?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:00 pm

The Canon is neutral. He achieves stalemate via the graybeard meeting

I suppose that makes sense. A cease-fire, followed by the rest of the mq.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:00 pm

I'd like to throw something else out for though before I go to bed. What do you suppose will be canon lore regarding the Dragonborn's involvement? Empire, Stormcloak or neutral? Edit: Guess it was pointless to ask; the post limit lock of doom is upon us...

Neutral, and it won't matter. Because everything points to the empire crumbling.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:00 am

Evryone blame the empire because they let thalmor take their citizen. And I agree the WGC is a mistake but after that they handled it quite well because everyone still has their own shrine of Talos, which mean they still worship Talos then Ulfric came and making a big fuss about it that the thalmor finally act and the ban was enforced.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:35 pm

The Empire would have Skyrim part of their Empire as a whole if they win. I don't see how people think Skyrim alone can defeat the Aldmeri Dominion.

You mean like how the Alik'r are doing pretty good on their own right? Right?

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:06 pm

If the Dominion beats itself against the High Rock wall until it ends so be it, it would be better for both sides. No doubt when the AD leave the Empire will rid of the Talos ban.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:10 am

Except, they can't even seem to make it through Hammerfell. So much for the big bad Dominion.

Hammerfell has the best swordsman on Tamriel and is mostly desert, even the greatest of real empires has had it's campaigns halted because of deserts. If Skyrim truly becomes a threat the Altmer can just go through Cyrodill to Skyrim.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Lol, im satisfied. i start controversial topics

. well, time for bed. yall can continue this debate, but theyll be a new, and more controversial topic tomorrow that touches on something closer to home...game mechanics and weaksauce character integration and lack of dynamic dialogue and story.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:46 am

Evryone blame the empire because they let thalmor take their citizen. And I agree the WGC is a mistake but after that they handled it quite well because everyone still has their own shrine of Talos, which mean they still worship Talos then Ulfric came and making a big fuss about it that the thalmor finally act and the ban was enforced.

No, the Jarl of the reach made a big fuss and promised open worship in exchange for getting rid of the Forsworn. He then reneged on his deal. All Ulfric did was accept an offer made to him.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:14 pm

You mean like how the Alik'r are doing pretty good on their own right? Right?

The Alik'r are twice the size of Skyrim. They have a desert to fight in and they didn't have to fight the empire in a prolonged campaign at the same time as the Thalmor.

They are also not coming off the heels of a long civil war.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:08 pm

The Empire is filled with diplomats and politicians, not Captains and Warriors. If they settled with the WGC, then what makes you think they would just join Ulfric. At the time of the WGC, Ulfric was with the Empire.

If Ulfric is such a great warrior, and his Thu'um so mighty, the Empire wouldn't ever have thought they couldn't take the Thalmor and agreed to the WGC. Ulfric tried to fight the Thalmor years ago and failed! He was captured, tortured, and gave information to the Thalmor. Now he acts as if he and he alone can stop them? Somehow I doubt he has the skills to back up his claims.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:03 pm

You mean like how the Alik'r are doing pretty good on their own right? Right?

Because Skyrim have the Alik'r. Right? But they don't.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:55 pm

In the Canon, niether Tullius nor Ulfric die. The stalemate weakens, the empire crumbles, the stormcloak ranks are thinned, and the aldmeri invade

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:14 pm

Because Skyrim have the Alik'r. Right? But they don't.

Sure they do

About...ten or so. Oh, I almost forgot about Three-Do...err, Nazir, as well.

» Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:20 pm

If Ulfric is such a great warrior, and his Thu'um so mighty, the Empire wouldn't ever have thought they couldn't take the Thalmor and agreed to the WGC. Ulfric tried to fight the Thalmor years ago and failed! He was captured, tortured, and gave information to the Thalmor. Now he acts as if he and he alone can stop them? Somehow I doubt he has the skills to back up his claims.

Something worth mentioning is that the Empire did take back the Imperial City, and Tullius turned the situation aroind for the Imperial supporters in a couple of months. I think the Empire have better military leadership at the end fo the day. Sadly their political leaders doesn't seem as competent :shrug:

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am

In the Canon, niether Tullius nor Ulfric die. The stalemate weakens, the empire crumbles, the stormcloak ranks are thinned, and the aldmeri invade

I'd be okay with this. I've been itching for more yellow-skinned elitists to cut down : D

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:24 am

You can't deny when Ulfric got involved things went sour.
1. Markarth Incident.
2. What Dmsp said about people having personal Talos worship.
3. When he killed Torygg it infuriated many causing the rift to get bigger.

» Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:02 am

Sure they do :smile:

About...ten or so. Oh, I almost forgot about Three-Do...err, Nazir, as well.

They have Nazeem, he can annoy the Altmer to death and insult their social standing.