It's 200+ years later. Survivors have spawned generations on generations of new human beings. Why are there still abandoned vehicles made of readily salvageable scrap metal laying around everywhere? Also, why little-no reconstruction?

Lack of tools?

Too much war still going on, and despite the fact its been so long their first concern is >survival< and nothing else, its gotten so bad that image of town/ cities dont really matter anymore, all that matters is being able to see the next day and thats about it lol. Its not that easy to just get on ur feet and fix the country when its pretty much gone to anarchy and nuclear war has struck.

That and it's hard to work when 95% of everything outside wants to kill you dead

Would you pick up all that crap if you really didn't have to.

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the devs wanted you to have something to salvage in hard times. It also makes it look more wastlandy

Think of the scrap vehicles everywhere as being an alternative to scrap yards now, nobody is yanking it in and storing it all, so you don't see it in your day to day moseying right now. Imagine an earth quake strikes your hometown and 90% of the houses and vehicles become little more than piles of scrap - all the services to clean it up, and store it away are gone. Who's gonna do it?

Add hordes of Super Mutants, Raiders, scavengers, Rad Scorpions, Molerats, Yao Guai, Ghouls... they make it very hard to collect. Then remove probably 'all' craft expertise and skilled tradesmen engineers, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, carpenters, builders etc. from the picture, they all died either instantly or of old age two centuries ago and their expertise went with them, but perhaps a few passed on a little knowledge, but nowhere near like the skilled tradesmen taking two to to four year courses as apprentices after their sixteen/eighteen years of standard education.

It's pretty obvious why there is junk everywhere. Also, even in the homes of these people, if you've been raised in environment of 'getting by' with dirt, rust, and general crap strewn about the place, you're hardly likely to have a problem sleeping in a crap tip of rusty cans and mouldy carpets etc. You're hardly likely to let it get you down suddenly, go out and somehow salvage a vacuum cleaner and get busy dusting and cleaning. S'just not a priority when you're thirsty and hungry most of the time. Heh ha.

"clutter" is a design choice, not a lifestyle choice. Realistically, most (inhabited) places would be cleaned up by now. BUT.. wandering into a plain old desert would bore the player to death (you'd get snowblind.. erm... desertblind). Clutter just makes it more interesting to look at.

There's no real reason to clean [censored] off the streets, no one can be bothered.

I suppose in essence that you could say it's reversal of the current first world norm. Most of us live comfortably, have nice cozy homes, and no shortage of clothing, food, and water. A minority don't have homes, can't get a decent meal everyday, are making homes in cardboard boxes and... wherever. We call them hobos, bums... if we're being cruel, or the homeless, and less fortunate if we're being polite. We call their circumstances a disgrace if we're being rational.

Hobos and bums make up the majority in post-apocalyptia. Very people few are in a decent place having very few problems living comfortably.

If it bothers you that much why don't YOU pick it up... I'm going to Vegas!

What was the pre-war population, 400 or 500 million? What is the current post war population, maybe a few 100,000 ?

That doesn't explain why the inside of the Brotherhood of Steel's Citidal of Fallout 3 is such a junk heap. Scauaging in general would have cleaned most of the mess

people have better things to be doing like trying to survive... :poke:

Well, it is demonstrated in the game that they don't have agriculture (on an appreciable scale) or very much clean water. Their small population already uses the few resources they have to the limits. So, radiation, little water, no agriculture, little hunting game, tons of factions and weapons...

The Citadel had an appearance of things being cleaned away. Matresses pushed to one side in hallways, and rooms full of bricks and mortar, and concrete that looked like it'd been moved from areas they were going to use, shoved away, and had the door closed on it. Most of the DC Brotherhood are either sleeping, or on patrol and fighting Muties, swapping shifts guarding certain locations, and just generally being overworked as armed forces. Meh.

You get in from a patrol and see a rusty can on the floor you're either gonna kick it to one side or ignore it completely. Heh ha. Meal, bed, and then wake up to the same things tomorrow. I don't think anyone would have been raised to appreciate cleanliness, because they weren't raised in clean environments, and BoS aside, there are communities that have no access to any information beyond the idiots that are their parents. No knowledge of medical, physical, nutritional things. No concept of hygiene, and where they have it, no indespensible means to have their needs met.

svcks to be them. :laugh:

They built robots to take care of that crap. That ended up being part of the problem, since they decided to shoot flamethrowers at you.