I personally think skyrim is probably the best game I have ever played, certainly the most addictive. Most ps3 users have been more than displeased with lag issues, crashes and other in game issues. I play on ps3 and have had to deal with all these issues and yet I do not feel let down by bethesda for these issues I mean after all they provided me with (in my opinion) the most epic game to date. My only quarrel with bethesda is the fact that pc users have been given console commands to play around with. Even the fact that pc users have the creation kit doesn't bother me as i'll happily pay for dlc when it arrives. Basically I just feel bethesda could have given consoles the same perks as far as cheats and console commands are concerned. I mean would it really be a massive work load to provide that?


Your thoughts please?

No.

It has nothing to do with Bethesda.
It has to do with Sony and Microsoft.

It will never happen.
If you want the console play it on PC.

Sony/Microsoft are probably way too attached to their trophies/achievements to allow it.

I see but how come in other games when cheats are activated trophies become disabled and more importantly why couldn't they do that with skyrim?

Again - you'll need to direct those questions to the providers of the console systems.
It's not bethseda's bag.

No, we' re screwed on 360

It is. Two Worlds did it in both of their games. You use the console, you disable achievements. Neither company had a problem when those games did that. Bethesda could have easily received permission if they wanted to put it in the game.

Sorry but your wrong. Bethesda could if they so desired have console commands on the ps3/360. Saying they can't because of Sony/Microsoft is a lie. They could others have done it. Here's how it could work on say the ps3
While playing the game, hold L1 + R1 and press Start, Up, Start, Down to display the console window. Press Square to display a virtual keyboard. Before any other commands could work you'd be required to enter the command. "skyrimcheats" once that was done trophies would be disabled on that file. To reenable them you'd need to start a new game or reload a previous file. But from this point on you could bring up the console window at any time by pressing those buttons and enter the command that you wished.

Now if that sounds familiar to anyone its because I exactly copied the method to bring up the console commands for the game Two Worlds II on the ps3.(obviously the 360 method uses different buttons) So PhonAntiPho the absolute FACT of the matter is console commands are possible on the 360/PS3 IF the developer puts in the effort.

Edit: Ninja'ed by The Huntsman.

No one can say "yes" or "no" definitively. There's a better chance for cheats command system than there is for console command system. There are plenty of console games that have built-in cheats and when used Trophies/Achievements are disabled; often permanently for any given "character". Since console games are not true open-ended computers any console command system would have to be provided by Bethesda as a shell (as Lord Vukodlak mentioned) and they're not likely to do that.

True console commands will very likely never exist on console games because, if for no other reason, Sony and Microsoft don't want to be bothered with the tech support headache caused by people complaining that their systems are f-ed up and "what do I dooooo?!?!?". The other big reason is money - the more control they have the more they can charge for "licensing".

As has already been stated TWICE. true console commands ALREADY exist on console games.

I can see this thread getting shut down pretty quickly. Counting my post, we're only at 11 posts and it's already starting to spiral towards visceral hate-mail...

Not happening. It's too late for this game anyway.

I mean true console commands as in PC and UNIX systems. Those will likely never be allowed on console games.

Oh for the love ot Talos. They are true console commands exactly like what you find on PC. It is an absolute FACT True Console commands are possible on the ps3/360. It was already done with the rpg game Two Worlds II.

What they allow you to do in Two Worlds isn't the whole of the Console Command system. It's only a fraction of it. the Console for TES on the PC is the same tools that the devs use to make and tweak the game. It's significantly more complex than the limited window that you get with Two Worlds. They won't allow a full Console Command window in the consoles.

This much has been stated by Bethesda, Microsoft, and Sony. In short, Two Worlds Console Command window is really only a quick way to enter a cheat code. The Elder Scrolls Console Command Window on PC allows you to affect the fundamental nature of the game. That's your difference.

Cheating is but a low use of the console. Many things you can do with the console can break your game. Microsoft and Sony don't want to be responsible for that.

That's also probably why mods will never happen either; a poorly constructed mod can break the game too.

Which is why Two Worlds doesn't allow a full Console Command window. It's more just a Cheat Code Window. It doesn't allow you to change the fundamental physics of the game like the PC Console does for the Elder Scrolls. That full Console Command window will never be allowed on a game console. Sony and Microsoft have already said so.

So you can navigate the file system and copy/move/rename/delete files (including system files), from outside of a game? If so, I would love a link to a site that explains how to do that.

Actually you can change the physics of the game in Two Worlds II using the console command window. Graphics, running speed, gravity those are all physics that can be adjusted in Two Worlds II.

I've never even heard of that in any console window for any game before. I think your confusing the in-game console window with the PC's commands. They aren't the same.

Aye.
It's times like this I wish I still had that popcorn gif...

No, I'm really not. "Console window" has been defined since GUIs or remote access to servers have been around. That's why I referred to any console command window in a console game system as a "shell".

I've never heard of in-game console windows having access to anything outside the game. And even if it did limiting it to the one data file shell wouldn't be difficult. Which I suspect is done anyway. And really you know that were talking about video game console commands why even bring up the command window you can find on PC, UNIX and even Mac operating systems.

lol

The hatred is getting so deep, I think I'll go and actually do my job... be back in a bit.

You are confusing cheats with true console commands.
The 'bat' command let's you run windows files from within the game so I don't think it's a stretch.

As I understand it: on the PC version it's a standard console window. If it's a shell then there is absolutely no good excuse for Bethesda not including it in the PS3/Xbox versions. If it's a shell and called "console" window then that's just bad/lazy nomenclature.