You dun' goofed, Bethesda. : V - Skyrim

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:27 pm

Your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I want less hand-holding, but expecting me to read minds and know that there's another way (that was never spoken of. At all. Ever.) to do something is just... silly. What they could have done, is (obviously with better writing);

"You're looking for the scroll? I heard there was some guy... Can't remember his name. Way up North, near Winterhold, digging around in some ruins for one. 'Course, you could always just try the College. I'm sure somebody there would be able to help you."

As for the rest of your post, you're treating me like I personally cried and begged for everything you listed. You know where the people are who asked for those things? Playing the game, because they're happy with the changes. I, however, am not. Why was it okay when they were complaining, but not when I do it?

No harn intended to anyone. Sorry if it came across that way. But when the dlc came out it was assumed by Bethesda that most everyone had played the main quest and would know about the dragon scroll. No pun intended.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:16 am

Actually, its part of a daedric quest. :tongue:

It just intertwines with the main quest. I usually have already been to Blackreach long before doing much of the main quest.

Without Septimus the MQ is in effect broken.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 am

No harn intended to anyone. Sorry if it came across that way. But when the dlc came out it was assumed by Bethesda that most everyone had played the main quest and would know about the dragon scroll. No pun intended.

Huge fail seeings as you can sell the Dragon scroll.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:13 am

There's a backdoor, but just like mine it's exit only. There's a dropoff which cannot be climbed from the outside.

You can force yourself up it, but given how difficult it is it's obvious it wasn't intended as an entrance.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:31 am

This has probably already been said before but...

for being forced into the theives guild, I'm pretty sure (with a high enough speech level) there is an option to tell brynjolf that stopping the dragons is more important than joining the guild

you don't need to do the MQ or join the college to get the elder scroll, you get that through the daedric quest discerning the transmundane

the whole point of a DLC is to expand a game once you have done the vast majority of what there is to do, forgive me for any offense caused but why did you buy the DLC if you havent even done the main quest?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:46 pm

Huge fail seeings as you can sell the Dragon scroll.

You can also buy it back.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:57 am

the whole point of a DLC is to expand a game once you have done the vast majority of what there is to do, forgive me for any offense caused but why did you buy the DLC if you havent even done the main quest?

Had the points laying around, had nothing else to spend them on. They were a present a while back, and there was nothing else I was ever going to buy with them in the foreseeable future.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:10 am

You can also buy it back.

Sorry, I meant lore wise.

"Hey want to buy an elderscroll?"

"don't joke with me"

"I'm not, do you want it?"

"Sure!"

10 days later

"Hey you know that super valuable Scroll I sold you?"

"Umm yeah? Why?"

"Well you see.. theres these vampires and some other dudes and uhhh.. I need it!"

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:28 am

Wait so let me get this straight:

Bethesda 'goofed' because they tied in the DLC to the whole point of Skyrim?

The point of Skyrim was to fight the dragon threat. I don't understand why everyone hates the MQ so much? If you don't like it then do not play? So basically what I get out of the OP is that you hate the fact the DLC deals with the MQ. You feel forced to do all the optional things.

Might I add you have not been 'forced' to do anything? I have yet to deal with the College via the DLC. I can agree that you do get pushed into the thieves guild and other things, but no not forced.

I'm just confused altogether, when you say forced to join anything, are you referring to the dawnguard side of the dlc, or the vampire lord side of it....and if it's the vampire lord side, I wasn't forced into anything and I just finished it today

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:26 am

Had the points laying around, had nothing else to spend them on. They were a present a while back, and there was nothing else I was ever going to buy with them in the foreseeable future.

well then really you should have expected to end up coming across the main quest at some point anyway.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:56 am

well then really you should have expected to end up coming across the main quest at some point anyway.

I was expecting to come across it when I wanted to, not when I was told to. It's been how many years since Morrowind came out? I still play that game ever now and again, and I've only beaten the MQ once. I don't play TES to do the MQ's, I play them for the freedom they (used to?) give you.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:17 am

well freedom has certain limits. You can't expect to do certain things without doing something else. i.e you can't expect to get the guildmaster's armor but not do the thieve's guild quest. To be honest does joining the college limit your freedom? If you are that concerned about RP just say that you were just pretended to be interested to get in and you were never planning on going back there

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:57 am

If you are that concerned about RP just say that you were just pretended to be interested to get in and you were never planning on going back there

I agree.
You can just pretend to join the college to get information. You can use a shout to get in so you don't even have to cast a spell. After you get the info, just leave and don't ever come back

Done and done :-)

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:10 am

It is not a mistake because he is involved in a Daedric quest, you dont have to do the MQ to complete Daedric quests which is the case for ALL TES games. I am done arguing, it seems you are too immature to admit you are lazy and all you want is for Beth to throw apologies at you for your own failings, good luck with that

I tried to go to septimus at level 20 and his hut or anything to do with him wasnt there.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:39 pm

I tried to go to septimus at level 20 and his hut or anything to do with him wasnt there.

You looked in the wrong place, it is always there and it is not a hut

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:04 pm

Spoiler

That's why I never sell the Elder Scroll. The power belongs to me!

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:11 am

To get the Elder Scroll you can head straight to Septimus Signus and get the quest. To get the guy who reads the scrolls, you can ask anybody, like a carriage driver or tavern keeper. So their not forcing you to do anything, which being like most people, you just did not think very far ahead or find a work-around. Think about what your saying before you complain over something thats common sense.

I completely agree with the OP i forgot all about Septimus Signus thanks for the heads up but Bethesda really should have made finding him an option to the quest rather than joining the college. The character i did the vampire quest was my "evil stealthy" guy level 36 and he's never done a bit of magic at all, he's the leader of the TG and DB i was stumped when he couldn't even cast a flame atronach, it really ruined the role playing element for me.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:48 am

I completely agree with the OP i forgot all about Septimus Signus thanks for the heads up but Bethesda really should have made finding him an option to the quest rather than joining the college. The character i did the vampire quest was my "evil stealthy" guy level 36 and he's never done a bit of magic at all, he's the leader of the TG and DB i was stumped when he couldn't even cast a flame atronach, it really ruined the role playing element for me.

You don't have to join the College to find Septimus... it's a Daedric Quest.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:14 am

I agree.
You can just pretend to join the college to get information. You can use a shout to get in so you don't even have to cast a spell. After you get the info, just leave and don't ever come back

Done and done :-)

You don't even have to join the College to get that info on the Moth Priest. It's often much faster to just do as Harkon suggested. Talk to a Carriage Driver, Inn Keeper, City Guard, etc. They'll point you in the right direction and you never have to get close to Winterhold, much less the College.

I tried to go to septimus at level 20 and his hut or anything to do with him wasnt there.

It's a wooden door stuck in an iceberg North of Winterhold. Not hard to miss as it's the only map marker out there...

I was expecting to come across it when I wanted to, not when I was told to. It's been how many years since Morrowind came out? I still play that game ever now and again, and I've only beaten the MQ once. I don't play TES to do the MQ's, I play them for the freedom they (used to?) give you.

Again, see my post above this one. Just do the Daedric quest "Discerning the Transmundane" and while it intersects the MQ, you never have to start it. You don't ever have to start the MQ or join a Faction. That's just rampant fear mongering over a perceived loss of freedom that really isn't there. Aside from becoming a Werewolf, there are no "required" Factions or quests.

Does that answer most of the questions in here? :tongue:

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:39 am

You realize that the "visit the mages" part of that quest has the word "optional" next to it in the journal, right?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:39 am

You can also buy it back.

Shops reset after what, 3 days?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:01 am

You realize that the "visit the mages" part of that quest has the word "optional" next to it in the journal, right?

You realize that the game doesn't give you any other options unless you already know about Septimus, right? Hence, the "optional" is completely bloody useless. :down:

Again, see my post above this one. Just do the Daedric quest "Discerning the Transmundane" and while it intersects the MQ, you never have to start it. You don't ever have to start the MQ or join a Faction. That's just rampant fear mongering over a perceived loss of freedom that really isn't there. Aside from becoming a Werewolf, there are no "required" Factions or quests.

Does that answer most of the questions in here? :tongue:

Will people stop saying the same bloody thing? Yes, we've covered that. I wasn't aware that it even existed when making this thread. Now the issue is that the game requires you to have prior knowledge or be able to read minds, to be able to have a work around. All they had to do was have a little conversation with somebody, telling me that I could either head to the College, or look around up North near Winterhold myself.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:05 am

You realize that the game doesn't give you any other options unless you already know about Septimus, right? Hence, the "optional" is completely bloody useless. :down:

And he referenced finding the Moth Priest. You need to know nothing about Septimus to find the Moth Priest. Simply look at your Journal and it gives you two or three primary options to find the Priest before you ever come to the Optional objective which is to ask at the College. Septimus has nothing to do with the Moth Priest nor finding said Priest. And you do not have to enter the College to find him either. Slow down and actually read what the game gives to you before ripping someone trying to help you. :stare:

Will people stop saying the same bloody thing? Yes, we've covered that. I wasn't aware that it even existed when making this thread. Now the issue is that the game requires you to have prior knowledge or be able to read minds, to be able to have a work around. All they had to do was have a little conversation with somebody, telling me that I could either head to the College, or look around up North near Winterhold myself.

Strat Guide or the Internet. Quit whining.

And it's a quest from the most secretive of Daedric Princes... of course it's going to be difficult to find/start. That's what makes it challenging, and fits within the manner that Hermaeus Mora would act given his Spheres of Influence.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:51 am

thing is i knew about septimus but i didn't know he'd have info on the other 2 scrolls as well...anyways at first i was mad like the op but i got the info i needed and actually completed the college questline so i got those achievements i hadn't gotten from doing the college quests lol. i am just pissed u don't fight legendary dragons til level 78!!! just read that on the wiki because i had been searching for them to fight but i am only at 44 right now...

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:03 pm

There's a backdoor, but just like mine it's exit only. There's a dropoff which cannot be climbed from the outside.

You can. It's difficult but doable. I always used this entry with my thieves/rogues characters.