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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:24 am

No, this isnt another one of those "how to roleplay effectively" nonesense threads, where the OP tells you you should walk more, use fast travel less, and "make pretend" with you're character. This has more to do with the gameplay itself, and some problems the average
player runs into.

I used to not have fun with skyrim, because I wasnt playing it the right way. This is some advice i'd give you from my experience.

First and foremost: The steed stone is northwest of solitude... fetch. Arguably the best guardian stone in the game, it makes you're equipped armor weigh nothing, removes any movement penalty from the armor, and gives you're character the strength to pick up 100 more pounds of equipment. This is useful obviously in that it is extremely conveniencing, both for getting around, combat, and sneaking (as the armor weighing nothing makes it make about as much noise as light armor) and also allows you to pick up ALOT of crap that you will sell in order to increase you're speech skill. Using this guardian stone will prevent you from ragequitting the game on account of you getting tired of tedious item micromanagement and otherwise having to spend time on stupid things getting in the way of enjoying the game.

Don't farm, dont exploit, just play the game, don't be a miser. Constantly be thinking about different ways you can use youre money and capital to improve your character. Dont try and think long term, unless it doesnt have to do with farming. Enchant and improve you're equipment, and buy recipes and make healing potions and other such things that will be of use to you on your quests. Dont farm youre crafts, use them. Unless its late game and farming actually yields a worthwhile profit, don't. The game is built specifically to punish farming. Whatever profit you make is smaller or about the same as any money you would have made just going out plundering dungeons and doing quests.

Sell that crap. If you have crafting supplies, books, spell tomes, miscellaneous apparel and weapons that you keep telling yourself you're going to use eventually, just go sell it. Dont even store it, just go sell it. Crafting ingredients are in no short supply and are inexpensive (if youre not buying them for the sake of farming) and most non rare items are not worth keeping as you can craft them whenever. There are certain things that you should go store, like staffs (as they are very rare) and certain other items, but most things can just be thrown away.

Use that crap. Just as there are items that should just be thrown away, some have use. Instead of being lazy and selling your enchanted things, go disenchant them. You cant learn enchantments from anything other than enchanted items, so be very careful about selling them. Also, if youve always been too lazy to be bothered with alchemy, you are kind of missing out. Go to a potion store and buy recipes, and then make the recipes you want. If the store doesnt have the recipes you want, wait two nights and check again. Same thing with enchanting and smithing. If you havent bothered with smithing and enchanting, you are holding your character's full potential back.

Pick up that crap. If you got the steed stone, this shouldnt be an issue. Granted there are certain things not worth picking up, but if you've freed enough room in you're inventory as Ive suggested you do you should almost never have a problem. I dont care if its animal pelt, 5 gold, dont care. Unless it's hide or fur armor, ancient nord weapons, or those damn numerous burial urns that no sane person should ever bother with, you should probably be picking it up. You can always drop it later.

Be smart with you're perks and leveling, but don't be miserly. You want to be smart about how you level, but you also want to have fun. I used to never invest perk points in the simple "increase effectiveness by X%" perks because I thought them an inefficient investment. I could have not been more wrong. Granted there are some perks not worth the expense, particularly the ones where the benefit of continual investment past the first one drops off (example would be haggling) but for the most part you should just always be spending your perks abundantly. If you can help it though, don't spend perks until you actually need them, and save before spending so you can experiment with it first. Also, you should definitally specialize your skills. Pick either archery, destruction, one and two handed to invest your perks in, otherwise you will have a generally weaker character.

Now, with the main things out of the way, it now comes to what character you will play and how you can most effectively enjoy your experience playing a:

Thief. Be warned, if you choose a thief, you need to understand you will not be using sneak as a side skill. It will effectively be one of your main combat abilities next to either one handed or archery or both. Your thief will be fragile in direct combat, as your perks and leveling time will be going into that which weakens any other combat abilites, so it becomes even more important to stay out of combat all together. The damage bonuses from sneaking in one handed and archer are helpful, but by themselves are hardly sufficient. When sneaking, you're trying to even the odds as much as you can before you're inevitably detected. This is where illusion and alchemy come in. With alchemy, poisons serve to enhance the amount of damage you can do in addition to your sneak attack bonuses. With illusion, you can turn enemies on one another, or calm them if you accidentally get caught. Any fighting you do following sneak assaults should be very minor "clean ups". Also be warned, that being a thief draws out the game considerably compared to combat focused classes, as sneaking takes much more time. It takes great patience.

Warrior/Archer/Light infantry. These three are pretty straightforward. As long as the above tips are followed it shouldnt be very difficult to achieve success.

Mage Warrior. This kind of build is the most popular. Unfortunately it's tricky to pull off unless you know a few things. You can mix up and specialize in whatever combination of mage and warrior skills you want in general, with a few exceptions. You need to use either alteration or armor, not both. I have found from personal experience that it makes you weaker in the long run. Invest you're perk points and leveling into restoration instead if you want to use armor. Use alteration in addition to restoration if you're going for a robes wearing character, as at only level 30 you get a perk that increases the effectiveness of alteration by 2x and later 3 times, which is a drastic difference. Its clear the developers intended this as a way to make alteration unattractive to mage warrior builds. You actually can use a shield in addition to you're spells. The switch delay is nonexistant, allowing you to switch between restoration or whatever spells you wish to use instantaneously. Since mage warrior's are more up close than pure mage builds they need block to help mitigate damage. Also, I cannot stress how important restoration is to a mage warrior. It's you're main defensive skill alongside block (if you choose to use it). When you use spells you want to be normally at somewhat of a distance from enemies, meaning you're going to want to use sprint. There is a perk that allows a massive amount of stamina to be restored along with you're healing spells, as well as a perk that increases healing by 50% (which is huge) which also applies to stamina restoration. If you want to spam power attacks or sprint basically indefinitely this allows just that.

My last piece of advice is, do not underestimate enchantment. It is basically required that any mage use enchanting or enchanted robes so that you can use magicka at least on a semi-regular basis. By default, magicka recharges very slowly and you have very little of it. You will be wanting to be putting a chunk of you're attribute points into magicka when you level up. You don't need stamina really at all. Putting a bit of points into health after you're magicka is pretty high isnt a bad idea though. Using enchantments, you need to buff you're armor, rings, and amulets with fortify restoration or other magicka buffs, restoration buff is preferred because that's probably what you'll need the most. For the pieces of armor you cannot apply a restoration buff, choose fortify magicka recharge over fortify magicka. Fortify magicka is not percentage based and therefore and therefore is insignificant to fortify recharge speed which is.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:32 am

There is no way to "do it wrong" when playing Skyrim. The only wrong thing is people telling other people they're "doing it wrong."
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:08 am

TL;DR

Don't enjoy Skyrim because its hollow, not because I'm doing it wrong.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:20 pm

Some good points.
But in my opinion, If you enjoy Skyrim, you enjoy it. If you dont, you dont. No biggie.
I've played Skyrim since day one, and have grown my own style of gaming. Sometimes its fun to hoard useless junk.
Your point about Battlemage build is spot on.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:46 am

double post -.-
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:12 am

There is no way to "do it wrong" when playing Skyrim. The only wrong thing is people telling other people they're "doing it wrong."
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 pm

Couldn't agree more about farming/exploits.

I think it's weird to do that in a single player game anyway tbh, if anything I tend to hold back, I get kinda twitchy if I think smithing is leveling too fast lol, but I suspect for most people who do it mmo culture is the main cause.
You farm in mmos because you gotta get powerful asap, be it for pvp or just to keep up with your guildies or w/e.

None of that exists in Skyrim so I reckon that need to farm is mostly just habit plus players doing that tend to transfer the competitive nature of mmo style gameplay from the game to the online community for a single player game... (instead of showing off their power to other players in game, they grind to show off their power to people on the forums).
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:55 am

I don't think it has much to do with that stuff, for me. For me, the game has simply failed to hold my attention. For a number of reasons.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:40 pm

If you're not enjoying Skyrim, the only thing you're doing wrong... is continuing to play the thing.

I bought Ninja Gaiden 3... I hated it tbh (and I loved the first two), I stopped playing it and played something else (MOAR Skyrim, heh), problem solved.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:20 am

How to play skyrim: Play like it is the 1st time you ever played a TES game....magic
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:51 am

There is no way to "do it wrong" when playing Skyrim. The only wrong thing is people telling other people they're "doing it wrong."

Ha. The positive way to spin it: If you're having fun, you're playing it right (no matter how you're choosing to play it). If you're not having fun and you think you've tried everything to make yourself have fun, trade the game in and get something else... and get rid of your forum account. :biggrin:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:56 am

If you're not enjoying Skyrim, the only thing you're doing wrong... is continuing to play the thing.

I bought Ninja Gaiden 3... I hated it tbh (and I loved the first two), I stopped playing it and played something else (MOAR Skyrim, heh), problem solved.

Did you troll the Ninja Gaiden 3 forums to tell everyone how much you hated the game? No? You're normal.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:56 am

I got a kick out of your thread title, Dr Strangelove. :)

I have to agree that the Steed stone is the best in the game, at least for my style of play. Nothing else I've found has come close to making me give it up.

The problem with selling all that crap is that the freaking merchants are gold-poor, and I'll be damned if I'm going to waste perk points on their bankrolls. I sell what I can, but I still end up with massive stores of potions, gems, dragon bones, you name it, as well as weapons and apparel no one can afford to buy from me.

You make some interesting points, but as someone already said, there is no wrong way of playing this game. My advice would be much shorter: do it whichever way you like best.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:34 am

TL;DR

Don't enjoy Skyrim because its hollow, not because I'm doing it wrong.
I don't think it has much to do with that stuff, for me. For me, the game has simply failed to hold my attention. For a number of reasons.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I am not satisfied wholly with skyrim but it is at least better than anything else out there as of yet.

Some good points.
Your point about Battlemage build is spot on.
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There is no way to "do it wrong" when playing Skyrim. The only wrong thing is people telling other people they're "doing it wrong."

I... have a headache after hearing that... this... what do you call it Mr. Spock... Logic?... I find this very annoying.

I got a kick out of your thread title, Dr Strangelove. :smile:

Well good someone found it entertaining. I originally questioned whether or not to include that in the title.


The problem with selling all that crap is that the freaking merchants are gold-poor, and I'll be damned if I'm going to waste perk points on their bankrolls.
Thats basically how I feel. I think it was a poor move by the developers. I shouldnt have to invest precious perks in speech just to be spared the inconvenience of waiting two nights just to sell all my hard earned crap.


You make some interesting points, but as someone already said, there is no wrong way of playing this game. My advice would be much shorter: do it whichever way you like best.

You little spockers (I jest)... your overthinking things a bit. Surely you realize that not anyone can just go into playing skyrim and play the game and enjoy it without a certain mindset or knowledge? Not everybody will find Skyrim enjoyable without a little player advice, which I give. Thats not to say I've given the best advice out there, there are many different things I havent touched upon and there are certainly many more different ways of playing the game, but giving a player advice on how to get most out of his game isnt wrong.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:40 am

how to play,how not to play......

every play through i have starts with a specific type of build,then the beauty of the game shines through and i always adapt my build.

so the only right way to play is.... let the game take you on a journey and see where it leads.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:40 am

Intelligent thinking by Bionis. A shame the rest of the messages couldn't build on it constructively
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:42 pm

1. I don;t need the steed stone, it is absolutely pointless to me, I have no issues with my carry weight as is what so ever.

2. some people prefer to play that way, how else do you explain the popularity of games that consist almost entirely of farming.

3. it's called a house, if I think I may need it but don't want to carry it I put it in my house, particularly crafting items, they may not seem necessary right now, but down the line you'll be thinking "why didn't I save that 500 leather straps that I had?", and as long as it isn't in your inventory it isn't a burden at all

4. not enchanting/smithing or using alchemy isn't holding your character back, sometimes I don't smith and I still have plenty of decent armour/weapons, I can get heaps of armour rating and tonnes of damage, it's just a matter of finding good stuff (there are a lot of unique items that are just as good if not better than smithed ones) I don;t usually take alchemy, because while it can be effective, I often find that once I get a high enough combat skill I don't at all need it and even before that I find it tedious to constantly be using potions/poisons, it's like when you end up carrying around dozens and dozens of potions for situations you'll never come across, and when it does make sense to use them you don't anyway, witch leads to the next point.

5. only pick up [censored] that you'll either need/use or sell, there is literally no reason to pick anything else up, that thing that weighs twenty pounds and is worth six gold and has no practical application whatsoever? not worth your time, also, burial urns can turn hundreds of gold for mere seconds of work, early on in the game this is pretty good stuff.

6. you only get so many perks, while you shouldn't be stingy, you also shouldn't just waste perks left and right, I plan all my builds out in advance and find that I have to make some sacrifices, yet in the end its being sparing with my perks that allows me to play how I want to play.

7. taking sneak doesn't limit your offensive capabilities, you'll level up and get perk points faster than you can level sneak to accommodate them, sneak by itself is the most powerful combat tree in the game, triple damage is ore than you'll get out of the archery tree, and x15 damage with knives is more than sufficient on it' own. you won't be a tank but you certainly won't lack offensive capabilities

8. there is absolutely no truth to the statement that mixed builds take more "skill" and I call it absolute poopycock. if anything mixed builds can be even easier because you are more versatile.

number nine, and this really is the most important one, yes you are missing something, some VERY big thing, there is no right or wrong way to play and I find the fact that you think you've found one to be ignorantly stupid at best. different people like playing different ways, and sometimes it's not their fault that the game doesn't cater to their preference.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:12 am

~snip~
+1

You actually posted exactly the thoughts that I had when I read the OP.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:20 am

There is no way to "do it wrong" when playing Skyrim. The only wrong thing is people telling other people they're "doing it wrong."

LOL QFT! ;) The only thing that's wrong with Skyrim that the devs didn't implement consequences to the player's actions...
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Since you did not show me the respect of quoting and instead use these ridiculous bullet quotes (like someone else on the secondary skyrim forums) Im going to teach you a lesson by doing the same to you. Good luck trying to figure out exactly what the hell Im replying to :banana: . Its also apparently obvious you have some kind of contempt for my whole thread because I "dared" to give players advice on playing their perfect little game. Lets debunk your arguments now.

1.Cool story bro. This is called a "red herring". It's when you ignore all the issues and instead make a statement which is either half truth or irrelevant. In this case it is both. Ive outlined why the steed stone is incredibly useful, you have not. I also doubt that you "never have issues with carry weight" and I think you are arguing for the sake of argument.

2.The issue here isnt "are people farming" or "is it popular", the issue here is that farming isnt fun and isnt rewarding in skyrim. Not saying you should never farm, but you should almost never farm until late-game.


3.I said you should store items that you are going to use. Its called, read the OP.


4.I dont what game you're playing, but it isnt skyrim. Good luck with whatever you're playing.

5.This is the second time you repeated what Ive already said.

Yeah, the two whole second delay for every urn opened is not worth it. Looting just about anything else is more profitable and less time consuming.

6.Fourth time.

7.It does.

So, you're logic is, "my character is weak from me investing level time and perks on sneak... so now I need to level up more to compensate"? Circular logic is circular. Because youve made your character weaker from investing time and perks on sneak, unless you are using that ability that youv'e invested time and resources on, you're even weaker. Because you've spent so much time sneaking, youve made it harder to play any other way. This is not opinion, this is fact.

Unless you remain undetected, you're sneak offensive perks have no baring on a fight, so yes you are lacking in direct combat.

8.For the reasons already mentioned, you are wrong.

there is no right or wrong way to play and I find the fact that you think you've found one to be ignorantly stupid at best.
Lets make some of my own bullet points here.

1. Redundance
2. Making this so easy
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:21 pm

A few rude and unnecessary posts have gone away.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:36 am

You know what, if I didn't think again, you would have deleted mine too.

So I'll politely word my thoughts.


Not a bad game is not a bad game.

tata.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:22 am

Really...?
Oh well fair enough...
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Ok how about this: I disagree with the OP and I think personally that you play the game in the way that you play the game. I think that to stick to a set of "instructions" is to rather miss the point.
Better?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:42 am

Since you did not show me the respect of quoting and instead use these ridiculous bullet quotes (like someone else on the secondary skyrim forums) Im going to teach you a lesson by doing the same to you. Good luck trying to figure out exactly what the hell Im replying to :banana: . Its also apparently obvious you have some kind of contempt for my whole thread because I "dared" to give players advice on playing their perfect little game. Lets debunk your arguments now.

actualy, in-case you didn't notice I replied to your points in the same order that you presented them (also roughly by paragraph), I just numbered them so that I wouldn't have to quote you so many times, I was in a bit of a hurry (well, not really, I just didn't feel like doing it your way)

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1.Cool story bro. This is called a "red herring". It's when you ignore all the issues and instead make a statement which is either half truth or irrelevant. In this case it is both. Ive outlined why the steed stone is incredibly useful, you have not. I also doubt that you "never have issues with carry weight" and I think you are arguing for the sake of argument.

2.The issue here isnt "are people farming" or "is it popular", the issue here is that farming isnt fun and isnt rewarding in skyrim. Not saying you should never farm, but you should almost never farm until late-game.


3.I said you should store items that you are going to use. Its called, read the OP.


4.I dont what game you're playing, but it isnt skyrim. Good luck with whatever you're playing.

5.This is the second time you repeated what Ive already said.

Yeah, the two whole second delay for every urn opened is not worth it. Looting just about anything else is more profitable and less time consuming.

6.Fourth time.

7.It does.

So, you're logic is, "my character is weak from me investing level time and perks on sneak... so now I need to level up more to compensate"? Circular logic is circular. Because youve made your character weaker from investing time and perks on sneak, unless you are using that ability that youv'e invested time and resources on, you're even weaker. Because you've spent so much time sneaking, youve made it harder to play any other way. This is not opinion, this is fact.

Unless you remain undetected, you're sneak offensive perks have no baring on a fight, so yes you are lacking in direct combat.

8.For the reasons already mentioned, you are wrong.


Lets make some of my own bullet points here.

1. Redundance
2. Making this so easy

1. I;m sorry, it was not a red herring, you say I must use the steed stone to have fun I disagree because I don';t need to use it and I find other stones way more useful, it's called having a preference that is different to yours, doesn't mean I'm playing wrong or that you are somehow better than me.

2. that is your opinion, some people ENJOY FARMING, so again, it's not "wrong" to farm in skyrim, and it's ludicrous for you to state that it is.

3. and I quote "don't even store it", it's called reading the OP, I suggest you try it.

4. that is what we call a "no argument", you cannot logically refute my point because it's all a matter of preference, so you just make out like I'm so unbelievably in-correct that it's not worth your time to respond, even though as previously stated, it's all just a matter of opinion, and I'm sure there is someone out there that agrees with me.

5. I repeated it because I agreed with it, believe it or not I am capable of having different opinions on different parts of your post, it's astounding what intelligence can accomplish. (yes I just indirectly insulted your intelligence, but you sort of deserved it for assuming everything I said was an attack)

6. actually, you were saying to spend points abundantly (I.E. plentifully) and I was saying that while you don't want to hoard your perks you do only get so many (by so many I mean no-where near an abundant amount)

7. no, it really doesn't, not one of my stealth characters has been weak in direct combat unless i specifically wanted them to be, because you level at a pace that means you can take stealth and a combat skill while leveling, true if you get just sneak and never spend your points elsewhere you will be weak, but that's like saying investing all your points into alteration will make you weak, it's not meant to be taken alone, and stealth can severely increase your combat abilities.

I never said you needed to level more, I said that you will be leveling faster than you will be able to spend points in the sneak tree, ergo you will have no reason what-so-ever not to get a more direct combat ability, you seem to think that you have to put every point you get into sneak until the sneak tree is full. I don't know where your getting your information on stealth characters, but I'm getting mine from all the stealth characters I have played (which is quite a large number), also, now would be a good time for you to stop stating your (un-informed) opinion as fact.

8. what already stated reasons? the reasons you gave in OP are bull, plain and simple, some pure builds would be easier, some wouldn't, it's not as simple as you seem to think, again, stop stating your opinions as fact, it's offensive to anybody with a hint of reason.

9. yes you are making this easy, you can't just take a perfectly valid point, label it "redundant" because you don't agree with it and call it a day, that's just you continuing to deny that what you are saying is all your opinion, and absolutely none of it is fact, literally, NONE OF IT IS FACT.

now, stop being an idiot and realize exactly how opinionated your posts are, because some-one disagreeing with you does not make them wrong, and I would prefer to see this thread turn into a constructive discussion on how some play-styles can offer a different experience, rather than a series of posts where people try to be constructive and you just start labeling them as wrong.

P.S. I had no difficulty figuring out what parts you were referring too, that's the beauty of numbering them.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:13 am

I agree with Zoridium and Pseron Wyrd

The tips are okay, they may even be helpful to some players.

But don't try and tell us how to play the game, we'll play how we bloody well want to, I bought the damn thing.

I play an Imperial warrior, but chose the thief stone at the start of the game. He's got 70 sneak, much more than my combative abilities but can still easily hold his own in direct confrontation. Builds don't have to be set in stone.

Sneak isn't just essential for getting those 'one-hit kills'. The closer I can get to an archer/mage ranged character before they start shooting off sh*t at me, the better.
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