Why can't I tell them to go make fun of a Giant's foot bonions?. Why can't I ask Delphine to visit Paathurnax instead of acting like a heartless monster and do her dirty work?.



I want a real answer, because this bothered me. I wanted to finished every "Guild" quest in the game, but I refused to kill Paathurnax.

The blades isn't a guild and they're is no quest line for them, exept some main and side quest they're involved in.

So, then what is the point of killing Paathurnax for them?.

Paarthunax is an old enemy that once acted like all the other dragons.
He may of changed but the blades still won't trust him because of what he used to be and Paartunax says this himself. That's the only reason the blades want him dead as far as I know, i'm sure there will be someone who knows more though.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Paarthurnax_(quest)

I guess the simple answer is: if you want to complete the Blades quests, you have to kill the dragon.

If you don't want to kill the dragon, you can't complete the Blades quest.

People are complaining about the lack of consequences for choices enough, this is one of the few ones there is.

Indeed.

I helped the Blades by recruiting new members before I went to see Paarthurnax for the first time. It isn't my first game so I know what's coming and want to help them get going again. Dovahkiin won't be doing what Delphine will ask because she doesn't kill friends and believes in redemption....right up until there's no reason to believe in it anymore.

Ahh, the dilema. Another I want to join the blades but I refuse to kill Pathnx. You're a Blade wannabe.

'The Blades' in Skyrim are such a shambles, I could easily see a Dragonborn with a few successes being able to stand up and declare: "I'm the new leader of The Blades. Who wants to join me?" Then go on to train a new enclave and tackle the Thalmor in the open.
What exactly could Delphine do if the Dragonborn openly declared that The Blades were back in business and he/she was now the leader?
To me, this would make a worthwhile expansion.

You can't really join the Blades in Skyrim.

You can either do what they tell you to do in return for their continued assistance in the hunting and killing of dragons (should you find that assistance worth the price they demand), or you can refuse to do what they tell you in which case they will sit in their temple and pout about it and never come out again.

Nah they only sit in the temple for game mechanics. Im pretty sure if lore goes that the dragonborn leta a dragon whos not sorry for whats hes done live, that delphie and esbern secretly recruited people to slay dragons and started up again except theres no dragonborn to lead them. So that means the blases will be slaying dragons by themselves, doing guirilla warfare on the thalmor, and problemly being spies for hire for people who coinside with their needs or wants. Dont see them seeing the dragonborn as an enemy..well maybe since he does add their enemy, but more along the lines or either an idiot or someone who got deceived bit overall someone not to be trusted.

Really its up to you. Do you slay someone who helps you out on the basis of having the same goals but fkr different reasons, or do u do it as a preemptive measure or exacting justice. Up to you.

I'd give that title to Esbern and Delphine. They're Akaviri styled dragon hunters, not Blades.


And they're pissed off at Paarthurnax because the dragonslayers showed up, started killing all the dragons and paarth had the audacity to fight back against them and win.

I don't know about the Blades not seeing the Dovahkiin as an enemy in the future.

When I finish the MQ, I already have one extremely powerful Dov who has willingly sworn to serve me rather than remain leaderless or adopt the Way as taught by Paarthurnax. Who's to say there won't be more? What will the Blades think when I'm not only refusing to kill dragons without a better reason than "because: dragon," but also recruiting them into my own service if they are willing to be led by me when I have need of them? Cuz I am TOTALLY gonna do that.

And you can still go out and hunt dragons.

The Blades "quests" have to be the lamest in the entire game. There's no reason we need Esbern or Delphine to give us dragon hunting jobs when we go can go do the exact same jobs without them telling us to. IOW, everything in the game is still accessible without them.

I've been through quite a few characters at this point and never once, not even out of sheer novelty have I killed Paarthurnax in order to do the Blades thing. Esbern and Delphine are not a lot more than semi-legitimate Unabombers.

How do you get them to tell you to kill parthunax? I did the main quest twice now and neither delphine nor esbern said to kill him...do i have to do season unending? Both times i did the civil war before the MQ

Hmmm... did you get Odahviing's name from Esbern? That's when he told me to do it. That was on a playthrough where I had finished the CW before I got that far in the MQ, so I never did Season Unending. On the one where I did Season Unending, he gave me Odahviing's name during one of his speeches at High Hrothgar but I deliberately avoided engaging in any other conversation with him or Delphine so I'm pretty sure I never got the "orders" about P. I never went back to SHT on that character so there was never another chance for it.

At any rate I believe you have to speak to him (or maybe Delphine) after you get to the point where you are trying to figure out how to get a dragon to Dragonsreach. If you are doing Season Unending, you've reached that point already anyway. But you don't have to do Season Unending, just talk to him about trying to capture a dragon. Maybe you have to pursue the convo further in order to get to the part about P.?

I keep thinking there's another way to get Odahviing's name but if so I haven't had it come up in dialogue options with anyone else yet.

Edit, from UESP: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Paarthurnax_(quest)
Makes it sound like if you don't get it during that time frame, you don't get it at all. Can that be right? Could you just continue on being "friends" with everybody after the MQ ends, because you never even got the quest to kill P.? Surely if you go back to see the Blades later, they would bring it up, no?

i believe the whole reason the blades have a hardon for paar, is for the the fact that pretty much paar was the sole survivor of the dragon side of the dragon war. i believe its more along the lines, that with paar alive the job isnt complete and once hes dead, then basically the main job was done. Oda had already been killed but brought back to life, and he has purpose since hes fighting on the dragonborn side. Once the dragonborn dies or grows old and weak, then its open season seeing how oda is only following dragonborn because hes the strongests at this time.

Delphine asked me right after the negotiation in Season Unending. She was there in High Hrothgar and I guess that's where she found out I'd been talking to Paarthurnax and he was the head of the Greybeards.

Redneckdevil, who will Dovahkiin teach the Dragonrend shout to so that humankind has that leverage with the dragons? That would seem to be important. The Greybeards would probably let it die with them since they believe the world ending is just part of life so it can't be them.

The Blades are not Emperor's secret agents anymore. They are more like their ancestors, Dragonguard. And their job was to HUNT DRAGONS. As I understand, they are not forcing the PC to kill Oda only because he pledged loyalty to the Dragonborn. Paarthurnax didn't.

If they believe a dragon should die now because of what happened thousands of years ago, regardless of whether or not he represents a clear and imminent threat, (as is the case with P.), then that should extend to Odahviing as well. In fact I think it should be more applicable to Odahviing, because thousands of years ago when P. repented of his "evil" ways and helped mortals against the other dragons, Odahviing was still working for and with Alduin. Paarthy then spent the intervening millennia in peaceful meditation trying to overcome the lingering pull of his old nature. Odahviing's only "reformation" is in his voluntarily submission to a new boss when that new boss takes down his old one.

At any rate, if they want me to kill dragons who are my friends and/or have sworn fealty to me, they can damn well go do it themselves. I'm not their errand girl.

That's precisely why they don't want Odahviing dead. He serves the Dragonborn. Paarthurnax does not and after his usefulness expires so does his immunity.

Dragonborn is not a Dragon Hunter. However if he want's to be one, he can join Blades.

^ that. Also on my toons im usually a blade member, as far as who can learn the thuum, well ill teach it to every member of the blade that can learn =] But that wouldnt make oda keep folowing them after the dragonborn dies, bc the dragons see the pc as a dragon and not as a mere mortal.

I just don't see how it could be ok to join a dragon fighting society and then be best buds with a dragon. I made one character that is a dragon fighter and I killed parthunax first chance I got because hes a dragon. I don't get the posts about wanting to be in the thieves guild or dark brotherhood but I don't want to be a bad guy or I want to be a blade but I don't want to kill all the dragons.

Seriously if you were an immortal war criminal dragon that was smart enough to know that you were no match for the dovhakin and no match for alduin but could get the dovhakin to off aluidin and then let the dovahkin die of old age what parthanux is doing is an extreamly logical choice for a pure evil dragon. Sitting up on the mountain for so long can be explained by the fact that he had to wait for alduin to show back up and resurrect all the dragons for him so that he could then immediately get him assassinated and set himself up to be the dragon king. It's easy to see things from the blades point of view if your not so naive to think that nothing would ever lie to you, especially a pure evil immortal demi-god. You can take parthunax at his word but remember if you don't kill him he will still be there after your great great grand children die of old age.

... or they can be incinerated by him .