Airline stupidity; the seat-upright regulation

Post » Wed May 16, 2012 10:29 am

You're going to have to explain that one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy

If we're meant to be debating against an assertion that, because wrapping yourself in bubble tape would be silly, inconvenient, and not that much safer (an unproven and hyperbolic assumption) airplane customers ought to be able to lean their seats back, as it is also inconvenient, silly and and not much safer (which again, is an assertion that is provided without any further scientific backing or reasoning on the part of the quote you opened with;) then the first thing to do is explore the premise. Which is inherently flawed as far as logic goes.

The original assertion which you supplied provides no hard evidence or logic on it's own - and yet you are now demanding a burden of proof from any who would disagree with you.
I would reconsider using a TV show as a "fact source" for anything that isnt basic science. Anyways, what was implied in the quote was that a plane is well above the survivable crash altitude, in which case, bracing wont do jack.
Well, I rather think Mythbusters does use hard science. That was a shortened clip from the full episode - but they worked out how to simulate a terminal velocity, created a rig which would accomplish that, and then rode said device using the crash position. Pretty solid science I think. But we can go another route if you want:

http://www.airspacemag.com/need-to-know/NEED-seatbacks.html?c=y&page=1 pretty well explains it, I think. And http://flightsafety.org/ccs/ccs_jan-feb88.pdf is a verifiable study on the brace position, complete with references.

Your quote speaks only of the requirement to place your seat in an upright position during take-off and landing. These are not only the most likely times for an accident - it is also during these moments when the plane is more likely to be at a survivable height. (And this backed up in the links I already provided.)

Edit - Hmm... I just read the comments section of that smithsonian article, and realized that's where the quote you supplied came from. Well, if that article didn't explain it you sufficiently, then I'm certainly not going to be able to offer any further education - because it looked pretty cut-and-dry to me. :shrug:
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 9:20 am

Wow. Talk about getting peeved over insignificant things.

What will you make a thread about next? The fact that beard clippers tend to go dull after a while?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 11:41 pm

What will you make a thread about next? The fact that beard clippers tend to go dull after a while?
If you run your disposable razor (going with the slant of the blades, so the opposite way to shaving) down a pair of jeans about 10 times, it sharpens it and you won't need to by as many blades.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 5:24 am

2. Raising your seat allows those in the row behind to acces the aisle, should that option exist.

This right here.

Although I will admit that constant sitting upright is not healthy for the back and legs in a plane. They hurt after awhile.. must be maddening for the elderly.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 2:54 am

I remember hearing that the real reason 'they' recommend the crash position is to keep your jawbone intact for ease of cadaver identification?
Fight Club myth.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 7:11 am

I've never been in turbulence, but I was wondering if they require the seats to be upright just in case it gets really jerky - maybe having the seat in front of you fully reclined means you might be more at risk of accidentally being knocked into it and hurting yourself? Not life saving maybe, but could save someone a broken nose if turbulence gets that bad. :shrug:
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 1:52 am

If you run your disposable razor (going with the slant of the blades, so the opposite way to shaving) down a pair of jeans about 10 times, it sharpens it and you won't need to by as many blades.
True, but with the price of disposable razors as cheap as it is (not to mention that if you buy them in bulk, you have a ton of them), it seems somewhat pointless to sharpen it.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 5:55 am

True, but with the price of disposable razors as cheap as it is (not to mention that if you buy them in bulk, you have a ton of them), it seems somewhat pointless to sharpen it.
Regardless, it makes me so angry I want to make a thread about it!

Also beard clippers aren't razors ;)
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 8:30 am

I've never been in turbulence, but I was wondering if they require the seats to be upright just in case it gets really jerky - maybe having the seat in front of you fully reclined means you might be more at risk of accidentally being knocked into it and hurting yourself? Not life saving maybe, but could save someone a broken nose if turbulence gets that bad. :shrug:

I've been in turbulence, which was pretty much the entire flight to Holland in a Fokker Friendship (basically a minibus with wings nailed to it). Based upon that experience, I'd say the main reason you're asked to put your seat up is so that the person behind isn't sick in your hair.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 9:10 am

You put your seat up so the person behind you can assume the crash position if they need to. Is it likely to happen? No. However if it does happen they shouldn't have to wait for you to get your seat up.

This.

They ask you to put your seatbelt on, not to straighten your chair, during turbulence.

This to a degree. I may have heard it once, but if someone's head is in your lap when you hit turbulence you're more likely to injure them and yourself than if their seat is upright.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 1:24 pm

Fight Club myth.

It was in a movie? Must be true then....lol :cool:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Fight Club myth.

You broke the first rule.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 6:21 am

Wow. Talk about getting peeved over insignificant things.

What will you make a thread about next? The fact that beard clippers tend to go dull after a while?
THIS!
Also if you don't like having to sit upright then buy your own plane.
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Post » Wed May 16, 2012 11:28 am

There's nothing ridiculous about the request. How are the people behind you supposed to get in the "safe" position while your chair is impeding them? I mean if you're a totally selfish [censored] I suppose it might be a tiny bit inconvenient, but they do ask you to do it for a perfectly valid reason, so instead of acting like a fool, you should probably just do it.
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