I considered rewriting this as my own, but the guy just nailed it perfectly and I find no need for correction or improvement. I found this in a certain article regarding the subject.

How about taking a moment to link it so we know where its coming from and what its about?

1. More people have survived crashes/mishaps than have perished.
2. Raising your seat allows those in the row behind to acces the aisle, should that option exist.

You put your seat up so the person behind you can assume the crash position if they need to. Is it likely to happen? No. However if it does happen they shouldn't have to wait for you to get your seat up.

(A better question would be, "should these seats have the option to recline in the first place?" I say no, at least not without a lot more room between seats, in which case everybody wins.)

They should just state in the event of a crash your back may snap if the seat is not in the upright position.

Fun fact: 10 million planes took off in 2010 in the US and 0 people died from airplanes

So I think their safety regulations are fine.

I think it's about aisle access for the people in the row behind you.

Hahahah, I love how he came in here guns blazing. Then everyone is like, lol no.

That investment of time, energy and inconvenience is also so small that rational people would probably just do it. Seriously, the way he says it, you'd think that it was a Herculean, monumentally annoying task.

Uhhh


Sounds to me OP, that your source is someone going "hmmm, this doesn't sound right to me, so I'm going to assume that my idea is correct, and the things are people are telling me are wrong, even though I have not studied it at all"

Sounds like most people's ideas on everything.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, it doesnt sound like anybody has been able to refute my logic, or should I say, the quote.



Fun fact: I drove with my seatbelt on for two weeks, and guess what! I havent gotten in a crash! It must have something to do with my seatbelt being on! Amazing!



Airlines typically instruct people to put their seats back during turbulence or takeoff, and since people can't get up during those times either, no.

Also considering they can only inch back like maybe... two (inches) it's not gonna obstruct anybody. In the rare instance that it does, the offended person can request it be put up temporarily.

It is very unrespectful to the person sitting behind you to recline your seat. So no, do not even give us that option. Do not be that [censored] with the reclined chair.

Ok. Your question is "why shouldn't people surround themselves in bubble wrap in the crash position" when taking off in order to further protect themselves? Because that's completely unfeasible. They require you keep your chairs upright to increase safety, but they mandate you do it because it's feasible and easy to do. Taking a metric [censored]ton of bubble wrap on an airplane and assuming the crash position every time you take off isn't feasible. In this situation, the return might not be massive but the effort is minimal, as opposed to the return being minimal and the effort being massive. As long as the effort is so minimal, there's no reason NOT to do it. Therefore, your (oh, excuse me, "the quote's") logic is poorly founded. It's like me saying that I've never been in a car accident after 3 years of driving, and based on this record there's no point in me wearing my seatbelt. The effort of me putting it on is so minimal that there's no reason not to.

Either way, I have a feeling this is your own idea and you just didn't want to say so to see how it went over. Besides, it's pretty insulting if you're using someone else's material and not citing it.

I would want to be laid back with my seat back while preparing to die, thank you.

Well, you can't debate hyperbole. It is rather difficult to refute a logical fallacy. :b

Anyway, didn't Mythbuster already prove the viability of the airplane crash position, like a season or two ago? (http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-killer-brace-position-minimyth.html, I believe they did, actually.)

You misunderstand the purpose of a seatbelt, and of putting your seat forward. Neither is to help you when things are going fine, they're for getting you through problems.

It's like the commonly reported fact that toilet seats have fewer germs than keyboard and cellphones and such. While true, the issue shouldn't be the average quantity of germs, but the potential for harms germs. It's far more likely that a toilet seat will have something on it that gets you sick than a keyboard, even if the keyboard on average has more harmless bacteria.

Whether driving or flying it's unlikely you'll ever need these safety precautions, but what's important isn't the average experience but the potential for accidents. A seat belt won't do much for you on an average day, but it can be vitally important if you get in an accident. Having the seat in front of you on a plane up when you hit turbulence probably isn't important, but if you need to brace yourself for a crash you shouldn't have to remind the person in front of you to put their seat back up.

I have to agree with Nu clear day, you're arguing hyperbole. But if that's what you want can you please explain to me what advantage there is in not putting a seat up, or not wearing a seat belt? You are correct that having your seat up during turbulence is unlikely to matter, but if it does matter it can be extremely important. On the other hand keeping your seat reclined serves no purpose. I'll choose the slim chance that this is useful over the 0% chance that not doing it is useful.

I remember hearing that the real reason 'they' recommend the crash position is to keep your jawbone intact for ease of cadaver identification?

If you're so bothered about having to put your seat upright that you make a thread complaining about it, then I'm speechless.

Have you ever actually flown on an airplane? When the person in front of you leans back, they're completely in your face.

They ask you to put your seatbelt on, not to straighten your chair, during turbulence. I've flown a lot and can assure you I have never heard this instruction once. For takeoff it's the same as when landing- these are the times when the majority of crashes happen so it's when the plane is on highest security.

Have you just got authority issues or something?

Nailed it.

You're going to have to explain that one.

I would reconsider using a TV show as a "fact source" for anything that isnt basic science. Anyways, what was implied in the quote was that a plane is well above the survivable crash altitude, in which case, bracing wont do jack.

You're failing to remember what was originally quoted by me as per my response which was what you quoted:

I was making a point that his "fact" had no bearing on this discussion whatsoever by giving an exaggerated example that I had gone two weeks without getting in a crash while always wearing my seatbelt. Not only is two years ago insignificant, but even if it wasn't it still wouldnt matter because people keeping their seats in the upright position never kept the plane from crashing.

Except when you're driving, you're far more likely to benefit from safety precautions because of the much smaller g forces involved in comparison to a crash. Also a plane crash has a monumentally smaller chance of occurring, and in addition, those safety precautions have a much smaller chance of saving you're life.

Now that you mention it, just what hazard does a leaned back seat on an airline have? Nevermind the fact that the chair barely even goes back two inches, lets say for the sake of argument that the chair is leaned back so far that it's a few inches from you're face. In that case, what hazard truly exists to you? Does it prevent you from going into you're beloved bracing position all that much? Doesnt the lack of space create less potential for momentum that could cause you to hit you're head harder on the chair otherwise?

Chronic back pain serves no purpose either, so they must be related. I wonder just how though?

Hmm...

Have you ever flown in an airplane?

Fun fact: Mythbusters was testing something that was basic science. In fact, most of what they do is just basic science...

Anywho, what ever inconveniences that are created from the "seat-upright regulation" are so insignificant that it does not warrant taking the time to complain profusely about it. Regardless, I'd listen to what the experts say, not what some random dude on an internet article writes... But that is just me.

I've never been on a plane.

My passport has only got me as far as the pub...

... All I ever need

If you've been on any long-ish flights in economy, Celan's point is kinda self-evident. I guess unless you're that inconsiderate person who reclines his seat fully for the entire flight.